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pavlov 1y ago
The “X is not just Y—it’s Z” sentence pattern complete with em dash is not just exciting writing—it’s a tremendous AI smell.
- serf 1y ago
  agreed, but it's not like it came from nowhere. going to be hard to get the entire world to speak differently for every model released.
- capestart 1y ago
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- palmfacehn 1y ago
  Even more so when it is a summary.
martin-t 1y ago
> It is a pity that technology is only making work less expensive for the employers and not better for the workers. This is the core issue. Even if quality stays the same or is increased, a much higher percentage of the monetary income from the wealth created goes towards owners instead of workers. Workers, who build wealth / perform positive-sum work, always were compensated worse than owners, who redistribute existing wealth / perform zero-sum work (if they do any work at all). And that was wrong but the differences were such that people were OK with them. Now inequality is gonna reach such massive levels that the people will not be OK with it. In fact, if actual AI is created, this will be the first time in history when the people automated out of jobs will be the most intelligent and most competent on the planet. And my hope is they won't sit idly and accept it.
- philipallstar 1y ago
  > This is the core issue. Even if quality stays the same or is increased, a much higher percentage of the monetary income from the wealth created goes towards owners instead of workers. It also goes to lowering prices or raising quality or raising wages elsewhere, as anywhere there's competition there's a constant tug of war on those axes. > Workers, who build wealth / perform positive-sum work, always were compensated worse than owners, who redistribute existing wealth / perform zero-sum work (if they do any work at all). Owners employ workers in a stable, agreed way. Owners might lose money or make money. Workers always make money. If you can't get the basics right, your conclusions will be way off.
  - tartarus4o 1y ago
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philipallstar 1y ago
> It is a pity that technology is only making work less expensive for the employers and not better for the workers. This is true for any innovation. We don't haul ice from the arctic any more. We have refrigerators. It's a false dichotomy to imagine that workers and employers are the only people affected. Customers are also generally affected for the better, and far more people are customers than workers or employers.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  But ultimately, customers must have an income, or they can't buy anything. I don't know if AI is a tipping point but if there aren't enough buyers, the economy falls apart. Maybe everything becomes cheap/free but I don't think that is the likely outcome.
  - philipallstar 1y ago
    It is far, far too soon to imagine that AI will do everything. I could make myself an instant coffee for about $0.02 in the comfort of my own home, but instead I spend $6 to have a political illiterate with a massive beard make it for me.
- technothrasher 1y ago
  > We don't haul ice from the arctic any more. A bit off topic, but we never really hauled most ice from the Arctic. The 19th century ice trade started in, and came mostly from, New England. In the later 19th century, Norway became a big player. But much of that ice came from lake Oppegård, which is below the Arctic circle.
  - nasmorn 1y ago
    You should consult on the inevitable Disney Frozen prequel.
- palmotea 1y ago
  > It's a false dichotomy to imagine that workers and employers are the only people affected. Customers are also generally affected for the better, and far more people are customers than workers or employers. Uh, what now? I would say customers ~= workers + employers, especially if you count retired workers as workers. Outside of those groups, what do you have? The idle rich and welfare recipients? Not very big groups... Also workers are by far the most numerous class of consumer, and lets not get deceived by the lazy capitalist oversimplification that a worker is not any worse off if you cut his income while making some of the goods he buys cheaper.
mallowdram 1y ago
We ignore that AI, doesn't really work, it has to be propagandically branded as being/doing things it isn't really doing, must be supervised by experts who actually know what is wrong (which is a paradox - who is learning in advance of the units and their correlations that end up making the mistakes visible?). In a real sense, technology doesn't make work less expensive, it segragates experts from minions faster, necessitating an entire class of managers who know more than their supervisors. It reverses the food-chain ensuring a revolt of experts over their handlers.
- mallowdram 1y ago
  Find it interesting that an entire field of coding is about to fall by the wayside based in irrational exuberance not panning out, and the adherents are relying on down-voting (status removal) rather than engaging with the problem at hand.
azaras 1y ago
That is because of the neoliberal ideology. When the ideology changes, workers will be the primary beneficiaries.
pants2 1y ago
Uh oh, em dashes, "not X but Y" - I think even this comment is AI. Nowhere is safe, apparently.

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The “X is not just Y—it’s Z” sentence pattern complete with em dash is not just exciting writing—it’s a tremendous AI smell.

serf 1y ago
agreed, but it's not like it came from nowhere. going to be hard to get the entire world to speak differently for every model released.
capestart 1y ago
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palmfacehn 1y ago
Even more so when it is a summary.

martin-t 1y ago

> It is a pity that technology is only making work less expensive for the employers and not better for the workers. This is the core issue. Even if quality stays the same or is increased, a much higher percentage of the monetary income from the wealth created goes towards owners instead of workers. Workers, who build wealth / perform positive-sum work, always were compensated worse than owners, who redistribute existing wealth / perform zero-sum work (if they do any work at all). And that was wrong but the differences were such that people were OK with them. Now inequality is gonna reach such massive levels that the people will not be OK with it. In fact, if actual AI is created, this will be the first time in history when the people automated out of jobs will be the most intelligent and most competent on the planet. And my hope is they won't sit idly and accept it.

philipallstar 1y ago
> This is the core issue. Even if quality stays the same or is increased, a much higher percentage of the monetary income from the wealth created goes towards owners instead of workers. It also goes to lowering prices or raising quality or raising wages elsewhere, as anywhere there's competition there's a constant tug of war on those axes. > Workers, who build wealth / perform positive-sum work, always were compensated worse than owners, who redistribute existing wealth / perform zero-sum work (if they do any work at all). Owners employ workers in a stable, agreed way. Owners might lose money or make money. Workers always make money. If you can't get the basics right, your conclusions will be way off.
- tartarus4o 1y ago
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philipallstar 1y ago

> It is a pity that technology is only making work less expensive for the employers and not better for the workers. This is true for any innovation. We don't haul ice from the arctic any more. We have refrigerators. It's a false dichotomy to imagine that workers and employers are the only people affected. Customers are also generally affected for the better, and far more people are customers than workers or employers.

SoftTalker 1y ago
But ultimately, customers must have an income, or they can't buy anything. I don't know if AI is a tipping point but if there aren't enough buyers, the economy falls apart. Maybe everything becomes cheap/free but I don't think that is the likely outcome.
- philipallstar 1y ago
  It is far, far too soon to imagine that AI will do everything. I could make myself an instant coffee for about $0.02 in the comfort of my own home, but instead I spend $6 to have a political illiterate with a massive beard make it for me.
technothrasher 1y ago
> We don't haul ice from the arctic any more. A bit off topic, but we never really hauled most ice from the Arctic. The 19th century ice trade started in, and came mostly from, New England. In the later 19th century, Norway became a big player. But much of that ice came from lake Oppegård, which is below the Arctic circle.
- nasmorn 1y ago
  You should consult on the inevitable Disney Frozen prequel.
palmotea 1y ago
> It's a false dichotomy to imagine that workers and employers are the only people affected. Customers are also generally affected for the better, and far more people are customers than workers or employers. Uh, what now? I would say customers ~= workers + employers, especially if you count retired workers as workers. Outside of those groups, what do you have? The idle rich and welfare recipients? Not very big groups... Also workers are by far the most numerous class of consumer, and lets not get deceived by the lazy capitalist oversimplification that a worker is not any worse off if you cut his income while making some of the goods he buys cheaper.

mallowdram 1y ago

We ignore that AI, doesn't really work, it has to be propagandically branded as being/doing things it isn't really doing, must be supervised by experts who actually know what is wrong (which is a paradox - who is learning in advance of the units and their correlations that end up making the mistakes visible?). In a real sense, technology doesn't make work less expensive, it segragates experts from minions faster, necessitating an entire class of managers who know more than their supervisors. It reverses the food-chain ensuring a revolt of experts over their handlers.

mallowdram 1y ago
Find it interesting that an entire field of coding is about to fall by the wayside based in irrational exuberance not panning out, and the adherents are relying on down-voting (status removal) rather than engaging with the problem at hand.

azaras 1y ago

That is because of the neoliberal ideology. When the ideology changes, workers will be the primary beneficiaries.

pants2 1y ago

Uh oh, em dashes, "not X but Y" - I think even this comment is AI. Nowhere is safe, apparently.