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Both Datastar and HTMX try to lay claim to being "the one true hypermedia" just because they both are vaguely HTML-like. And they gladly misappropriate Ted Nels

by troupo 1y ago

Both Datastar and HTMX try to lay claim to being "the one true hypermedia" just because they both are vaguely HTML-like. And they gladly misappropriate Ted Nelson, too: https://dmitriid.com/hypermedia-is-a-property-of-the-client https://dmitriid.com/hypermedia-is-a-property-of-the-client

nchmy 1y ago
in reality, neither of them make any such claims. And they are not html-like - they're literally html. Especially datastar, which doesnt add any non-html-spec attributes.
- troupo 1y ago
  Yeah, yeah, they "literally add nothing" except these small things like "custom Javascript-like DSL" (datastar), custom DSL and custom HTTP-headers (htmx). But it's "just html", so it's all fine Edit: Oh, don't forget that " Especially datastar, which doesnt add any non-html-spec attributes" in reality ads two custom DSLs. One in the form of HTML attribbutes, and the other in the form of a JS-like DSL: <button data-on-click__window__debounce.500ms.leading="$foo = ''"></button> But as long as it's superficially HTML-spec compliant, this is nothing.
  - nchmy 1y ago
    the spec is literally just data-* (hence the name): you can add whatever you want to it and remain in spec. And they're meant to be read by javascript (like datastar) https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/How_to/Use_data_attributes https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/How_to/Use... At least you're living up to your profile! "Opinions on things I know nothing about"
    - troupo 1y ago
      > At least you're living up to your profile! "Opinions on things I know nothing about" I've had this pinned on my twitter profile for a few years now, for people like you: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1860589623321280995 https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1860589623321280995 I never argued that those attributes weren't compatible with HTML.
    - agos 1y ago
      Hey, that was a low blow, you can do better than insult another user! On the topic: it might be in spec but it’s still a DSL inside an attribute
      - nchmy 1y ago
        Do you really not see how I was responding in-kind to them?

by troupo 1y ago

nchmy 1y ago

in reality, neither of them make any such claims. And they are not html-like - they're literally html. Especially datastar, which doesnt add any non-html-spec attributes.

troupo 1y ago
Yeah, yeah, they "literally add nothing" except these small things like "custom Javascript-like DSL" (datastar), custom DSL and custom HTTP-headers (htmx). But it's "just html", so it's all fine Edit: Oh, don't forget that " Especially datastar, which doesnt add any non-html-spec attributes" in reality ads two custom DSLs. One in the form of HTML attribbutes, and the other in the form of a JS-like DSL: <button data-on-click__window__debounce.500ms.leading="$foo = ''"></button> But as long as it's superficially HTML-spec compliant, this is nothing.
- nchmy 1y ago
  the spec is literally just data-* (hence the name): you can add whatever you want to it and remain in spec. And they're meant to be read by javascript (like datastar) https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/How_to/Use_data_attributes https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/How_to/Use... At least you're living up to your profile! "Opinions on things I know nothing about"
  - troupo 1y ago
    > At least you're living up to your profile! "Opinions on things I know nothing about" I've had this pinned on my twitter profile for a few years now, for people like you: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1860589623321280995 https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1860589623321280995 I never argued that those attributes weren't compatible with HTML.
  - agos 1y ago
    Hey, that was a low blow, you can do better than insult another user! On the topic: it might be in spec but it’s still a DSL inside an attribute
    - nchmy 1y ago
      Do you really not see how I was responding in-kind to them?