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Does HTMX have a pro version? Is it dead?

intrasight 1y ago
Far from dead. Usage is growing. HTMX is a single htmx.js file with like 4000 lines of pretty clearly written code. It purports to - and I think succeeds - in adding a couple of missing hypermedia features to HTML. It's not a "framework" - good It's not serverside - good Need to add a feature? Just edit htmx.js
- sgt 1y ago
  Some people will get a fit once they find out it's JS, and not TypeScript.
  - zenmac 1y ago
    No body is preventing them to write a layer of ts definition on top of the js. Check out postgres.js
sudodevnull 1y ago
Yes look at the active issues on GitHub. There's hundreds and some going back years with no traction.
- yawaramin 1y ago
  I don't think open issues is a fair way to judge project liveness. TypeScript also has hundreds of open issues going back years with no traction. Is TypeScript dead?
  - sudodevnull 1y ago
    Yes, issues that are years old show me the commitment level. Not a knock against HTMX but a clear sign of priorities. Carson is free to meme all day and talk about other projects. It's very clear where he stands and that's fine
    - yawaramin 1y ago
      It was a rhetorical question; the answer is no, old issues with no updates don't necessarily indicate anything about the health of the project. Different people have different project management styles. You use your style for your project, and Carson uses his for htmx. There's no one correct way to manage an issue backlog.
    - ncruces 1y ago
      My project is really healthy then, as I summarily close issues as “not planned” rather than leave them open.
    - recursivedoubts 1y ago
      this year I created and released fixi.js, created the montana mini computer (https://mtmc.cs.montana.edu https://mtmc.cs.montana.edu), published an paper on hypermedia via the ACM, got hyperscript to 1.0, released 3 versions of htmx, reworked all the classes that I teach at montana state and am planning on releasing a java-based take on rails that I'm building for my web programming class i am also the president of the local youth baseball program and helped get BigSkyDevCon over the hump i think you'd be surprised at how little time i actually spend on twitter
      - sudodevnull 1y ago
        as always, my issue is never with how you spend your time. you are a giver of gifts and I wish more people that relied on HTMX stepped up to make it better. in no way should anything be expected of you. How you spend your time is obviously your call. MIT is MIT
osigurdson 1y ago
It will be, eventually, unless a maintainer is able to maintain during the day. It doesn't matter what the source of free time is however: retired, rich, runs a company from their open source project, paid by somebody else, etc., but full time job + open source maintainer = dead project, eventually.
recursivedoubts 1y ago
htmx isn't dead, but, from a semantic stand point, it's pretty done: https://htmx.org/essays/future/ https://htmx.org/essays/future/ there are bugs, but we have to trade off fixes against potentially breaking users sites that depend on (sometimes implicitly) the current behavior this makes me very hesitant to make changes and accept PRs, but i also feel bad closing old issues without really diving deep into them such is life in open source

Far from dead. Usage is growing. HTMX is a single htmx.js file with like 4000 lines of pretty clearly written code. It purports to - and I think succeeds - in adding a couple of missing hypermedia features to HTML. It's not a "framework" - good It's not serverside - good Need to add a feature? Just edit htmx.js

sgt 1y ago
Some people will get a fit once they find out it's JS, and not TypeScript.
- zenmac 1y ago
  No body is preventing them to write a layer of ts definition on top of the js. Check out postgres.js

sudodevnull 1y ago

Yes look at the active issues on GitHub. There's hundreds and some going back years with no traction.

yawaramin 1y ago
I don't think open issues is a fair way to judge project liveness. TypeScript also has hundreds of open issues going back years with no traction. Is TypeScript dead?
- sudodevnull 1y ago
  Yes, issues that are years old show me the commitment level. Not a knock against HTMX but a clear sign of priorities. Carson is free to meme all day and talk about other projects. It's very clear where he stands and that's fine
  - yawaramin 1y ago
    It was a rhetorical question; the answer is no, old issues with no updates don't necessarily indicate anything about the health of the project. Different people have different project management styles. You use your style for your project, and Carson uses his for htmx. There's no one correct way to manage an issue backlog.
  - ncruces 1y ago
    My project is really healthy then, as I summarily close issues as “not planned” rather than leave them open.
  - recursivedoubts 1y ago
    this year I created and released fixi.js, created the montana mini computer (https://mtmc.cs.montana.edu https://mtmc.cs.montana.edu), published an paper on hypermedia via the ACM, got hyperscript to 1.0, released 3 versions of htmx, reworked all the classes that I teach at montana state and am planning on releasing a java-based take on rails that I'm building for my web programming class i am also the president of the local youth baseball program and helped get BigSkyDevCon over the hump i think you'd be surprised at how little time i actually spend on twitter
    - sudodevnull 1y ago
      as always, my issue is never with how you spend your time. you are a giver of gifts and I wish more people that relied on HTMX stepped up to make it better. in no way should anything be expected of you. How you spend your time is obviously your call. MIT is MIT

osigurdson 1y ago

It will be, eventually, unless a maintainer is able to maintain during the day. It doesn't matter what the source of free time is however: retired, rich, runs a company from their open source project, paid by somebody else, etc., but full time job + open source maintainer = dead project, eventually.

recursivedoubts 1y ago

htmx isn't dead, but, from a semantic stand point, it's pretty done: https://htmx.org/essays/future/ https://htmx.org/essays/future/ there are bugs, but we have to trade off fixes against potentially breaking users sites that depend on (sometimes implicitly) the current behavior this makes me very hesitant to make changes and accept PRs, but i also feel bad closing old issues without really diving deep into them such is life in open source