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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but people are awarded the prize based on what they've done, not based on what they might do in the future. I'm not sure you c

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but people are awarded the prize based on what they've done, not based on what they might do in the future. I'm not sure you could claim the award is a joke because of people did after being awarded it, especially when most people awarded didn't launch new wars or helped coups.

finghin 1y ago
Ideally, we would accept the recipients as being of “certified good character”. But the stability of this pattern shows chronic lack of basic insight into the awardees, IMO.
- CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
  No, ideally you'd understand under what basis the prize is handed out, and then draw your conclusions from that (or avoid thinking something specific will happen in the future based on the prize itself). Nothing in the criteria for the handing out the prize has anything about the reception having any sort of specific character, good or bad. This is all of the conditions for the award: > Fraternity between nations; abolition or reduction of standing armies; and the holding and promotion of peace congresses So every year they look at candidates and what they've done within those things, then make an judgement.
stogot 1y ago
Obama didn’t actually do anything but get elected and said nice things. When he got the Peace Prize, people all over the world were confused and thought it was a joke.
- JacobThreeThree 1y ago
  The Obama prize decision kind of made the Nobel prize a joke.
- aylmao 1y ago
  He then went on to become the longest-serving war president [1]: > On May 6, with eight months left before he vacates the White House, Mr. Obama passed a somber, little-noticed milestone: He has now been at war longer than Mr. Bush, or any other American president. It wasn't all inherited conflicts. He also oversaw the 2011 intervention in Libya, the 2014 involvement in Syria, and the 2014 re-intervention in Iraq after having withdrawn troops in 2011. [1]: NYT: https://archive.is/diXo5 https://archive.is/diXo5
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    Seems pretty minimal if you subtract the steamy piles Cheney left him.
    - lyu07282 1y ago
      At least they had fun with it, remember "Terror Tuesday's"? And once he even apologized when they accidentally bombed a hospital full of white people. Cheney's situation room was probably like Dr.Evils lair. Obama and Hillary Clinton was more like https://youtu.be/dDJa1_fLVeA https://youtu.be/dDJa1_fLVeA vibes.
    - stogot 1y ago
      The point is what peace did he participate in before he won the Nobel peace prize? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
      - cosmicgadget 1y ago
        He mananged to convince the most powerful country on earth to vote for international cooperation rather than a guy who sang a parody song with the lyrics "bomb Iran". Obama notably worked out a denuclearization deal with them so there's that. It's okay if a non-voting member of the Nobel org 'regrets' other peoples' decision because Obama didn't immediately withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan and pardon Bin Laden. Maybe he can take some solace in the fact that he let Putin take Crimea and shoot down MH17, trading peace in 2014 for war in 2022.
FergusArgyll 1y ago
Obamas was explicitly given as a hope for the future The committee "thought it would strengthen Obama and it didn't have this effect", Lundestad told the Associated Press, though he fell short of calling the award a mistake.[145] "In hindsight, we could say that the argument of giving Obama a helping hand was only partially correct", Lundestad wrote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#2009_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#2009...
kranke155 1y ago
Obama was kind of given the prize as soon as he was first elected, which was odd. Of course it’s now led to Trump having a Peace Prize obsession, which sis not a bad thing.

finghin 1y ago

Ideally, we would accept the recipients as being of “certified good character”. But the stability of this pattern shows chronic lack of basic insight into the awardees, IMO.

CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
No, ideally you'd understand under what basis the prize is handed out, and then draw your conclusions from that (or avoid thinking something specific will happen in the future based on the prize itself). Nothing in the criteria for the handing out the prize has anything about the reception having any sort of specific character, good or bad. This is all of the conditions for the award: > Fraternity between nations; abolition or reduction of standing armies; and the holding and promotion of peace congresses So every year they look at candidates and what they've done within those things, then make an judgement.

stogot 1y ago

Obama didn’t actually do anything but get elected and said nice things. When he got the Peace Prize, people all over the world were confused and thought it was a joke.

JacobThreeThree 1y ago
The Obama prize decision kind of made the Nobel prize a joke.
aylmao 1y ago
He then went on to become the longest-serving war president [1]: > On May 6, with eight months left before he vacates the White House, Mr. Obama passed a somber, little-noticed milestone: He has now been at war longer than Mr. Bush, or any other American president. It wasn't all inherited conflicts. He also oversaw the 2011 intervention in Libya, the 2014 involvement in Syria, and the 2014 re-intervention in Iraq after having withdrawn troops in 2011. [1]: NYT: https://archive.is/diXo5 https://archive.is/diXo5
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  Seems pretty minimal if you subtract the steamy piles Cheney left him.
  - lyu07282 1y ago
    At least they had fun with it, remember "Terror Tuesday's"? And once he even apologized when they accidentally bombed a hospital full of white people. Cheney's situation room was probably like Dr.Evils lair. Obama and Hillary Clinton was more like https://youtu.be/dDJa1_fLVeA https://youtu.be/dDJa1_fLVeA vibes.
  - stogot 1y ago
    The point is what peace did he participate in before he won the Nobel peace prize? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
    - cosmicgadget 1y ago
      He mananged to convince the most powerful country on earth to vote for international cooperation rather than a guy who sang a parody song with the lyrics "bomb Iran". Obama notably worked out a denuclearization deal with them so there's that. It's okay if a non-voting member of the Nobel org 'regrets' other peoples' decision because Obama didn't immediately withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan and pardon Bin Laden. Maybe he can take some solace in the fact that he let Putin take Crimea and shoot down MH17, trading peace in 2014 for war in 2022.

FergusArgyll 1y ago

Obamas was explicitly given as a hope for the future The committee "thought it would strengthen Obama and it didn't have this effect", Lundestad told the Associated Press, though he fell short of calling the award a mistake.[145] "In hindsight, we could say that the argument of giving Obama a helping hand was only partially correct", Lundestad wrote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#2009_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#2009...

kranke155 1y ago

Obama was kind of given the prize as soon as he was first elected, which was odd. Of course it’s now led to Trump having a Peace Prize obsession, which sis not a bad thing.