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To his credit: he didn't start any of those wars. But yes, I agree that the Nobel prize was unfounded.

by rob74 1y ago

antonymoose 1y ago
He started a number of color revolutions though out MENA? And let us not forget his assassination of an American citizen by drone strike for visiting the place of his fathers death, also assassinated by drone strike. And if we want a “fun fact,” he is the only Nobel Peace winner to bomb and kill another, as commander and chief his forces bombed and killed innocents in a Doctor’s Without Borders outpost in Afghanistan. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike)
- pjc50 1y ago
  I think there's a very high bar of proof to "Americans are responsible for a popular revolution" when in practice there was a huge amount of effort by individuals on the ground, for example in Tahrir Square. Obama did not make Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire.
- chrneu 1y ago
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- Cyph0n 1y ago
  Can we please stop propagating the flimsy conspiracies about the 2011 revolutions? They started entirely organically, but some unfortunately devolved into wider conflicts. At worst, this conspiracy infantilizes Arab populations by removing their agency. At best, it’s false marketing for the CIA and other agencies.
crazybonkersai 1y ago
He surely started Libyan War by bombing the hell out the government forces and creating power vacuum. The war is still ravaging the country to this day
- netsharc 1y ago
  You seem to have come from another timeline, where that's reality. Wikipedia says: > On 19 March 2011, a NATO-led coalition began a military intervention into the ongoing Libyan Civil War to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 (UNSCR 1973). The UN Security Council passed the resolution with ten votes in favour and five abstentions, with the stated intent to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute 'crimes against humanity' but I guess that's fake news... But I'm more interested about how you can travel between timelines. Is it with a portal gun like in Rick and Morty?
  - pydry 1y ago
    The UN mandate which NATO were given to use military force only to protect civilians was used as a figleaf to pursue a regime change operation instead. In the context of that regime change operation they killed many civilians and left a humanitarian catastrophe in their wake. The country is beyond fucked but Hillary did get to say "we came, we saw, he died" afterwards, underscoring the lie. So mission accomplished? For some reason the UN security council stopped approving NATO "humanitarian" operations after that and Russia started treating NATO expansion as an imperialist, existential threat.
  - crazybonkersai 1y ago
    What are you saying exactly? Military intervention is not a war? Obama did not play a decisive role in starting it (mainly to sway away attention from the dragging Afghanistan war which he promised to end)? Or UN mandate makes it somewhat ok, considering NATO broke conditions of the UN resolution already in the first weeks of bombing (which was promptly objected by UN security Council members). Make no mistake. Obama started this war for PR reasons. Had it not been for NATO bombing Libya would still exist as a state instead of a failed entity it is now.
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To his credit: he didn't start any of those wars. But yes, I agree that the Nobel prize was unfounded.

by rob74 1y ago

To his credit: he didn't start any of those wars. But yes, I agree that the Nobel prize was unfounded.

He started a number of color revolutions though out MENA? And let us not forget his assassination of an American citizen by drone strike for visiting the place of his fathers death, also assassinated by drone strike. And if we want a “fun fact,” he is the only Nobel Peace winner to bomb and kill another, as commander and chief his forces bombed and killed innocents in a Doctor’s Without Borders outpost in Afghanistan. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike)

pjc50 1y ago
I think there's a very high bar of proof to "Americans are responsible for a popular revolution" when in practice there was a huge amount of effort by individuals on the ground, for example in Tahrir Square. Obama did not make Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire.
chrneu 1y ago
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Cyph0n 1y ago
Can we please stop propagating the flimsy conspiracies about the 2011 revolutions? They started entirely organically, but some unfortunately devolved into wider conflicts. At worst, this conspiracy infantilizes Arab populations by removing their agency. At best, it’s false marketing for the CIA and other agencies.

crazybonkersai 1y ago

He surely started Libyan War by bombing the hell out the government forces and creating power vacuum. The war is still ravaging the country to this day

netsharc 1y ago
You seem to have come from another timeline, where that's reality. Wikipedia says: > On 19 March 2011, a NATO-led coalition began a military intervention into the ongoing Libyan Civil War to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 (UNSCR 1973). The UN Security Council passed the resolution with ten votes in favour and five abstentions, with the stated intent to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute 'crimes against humanity' but I guess that's fake news... But I'm more interested about how you can travel between timelines. Is it with a portal gun like in Rick and Morty?
- pydry 1y ago
  The UN mandate which NATO were given to use military force only to protect civilians was used as a figleaf to pursue a regime change operation instead. In the context of that regime change operation they killed many civilians and left a humanitarian catastrophe in their wake. The country is beyond fucked but Hillary did get to say "we came, we saw, he died" afterwards, underscoring the lie. So mission accomplished? For some reason the UN security council stopped approving NATO "humanitarian" operations after that and Russia started treating NATO expansion as an imperialist, existential threat.
- crazybonkersai 1y ago
  What are you saying exactly? Military intervention is not a war? Obama did not play a decisive role in starting it (mainly to sway away attention from the dragging Afghanistan war which he promised to end)? Or UN mandate makes it somewhat ok, considering NATO broke conditions of the UN resolution already in the first weeks of bombing (which was promptly objected by UN security Council members). Make no mistake. Obama started this war for PR reasons. Had it not been for NATO bombing Libya would still exist as a state instead of a failed entity it is now.
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