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That is nonsense. Even if the Gaza deal was worthy a Nobel Peace Prize, nobody, including Trump, would expect to be honored two days after the deal.

by jansan 1y ago

ddrdrck_ 1y ago
You mean, nobody except Trump.
mw67 1y ago
The deal won't even last, we all know Israel can't stop killing until they get all the lands they want, and Trump knows it too: https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1976374346538156429 https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1976374346538156429
eru 1y ago
They should really have given him one before the deal. I mean, Obama got one just for showing up. (To be clear, I don't think Trump should get one; and Obama's win was really weird. But, hey, if Kissinger can get one..)
- kgwgk 1y ago
  Maybe they didn’t want to make the same mistake: Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
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- anilakar 1y ago
  When you fuck up world peace so badly your successor gets the prize for doing nothing...
  - rkomorn 1y ago
    Not even "for doing nothing", more like "before doing anything". He wasn't even 10 months into his presidency. If there's one job in the world where I'd wait until someone's well out of office before judging their impact on peace, it's the US presidency. I'm in a circle of people who lean pretty damn far left and even at the time, the only reactions I heard were "huh, what?"
    - eru 1y ago
      > If there's one job in the world where I'd wait until someone's well out of office before judging their impact on peace, it's the US presidency. Sure, but if you want your prize to have an impact, you sometimes have to hand it out to hopefuls?
      - rkomorn 1y ago
        I dunno. Do you? Does the Nobel prize have a history of shaping the future? Did winning the Nobel prize make Obama a different president? Was it supposed to? To me, it seemed oddly aspirational, but maybe that's more often the case with the peace prize, too. Also worth noting that the language in the press release [1] and facts page [2] makes it all sound like it was for things already achieved (although maybe that's at odds with "Inspires Hope for a Better Future"), and I'm skeptical of looking at year 1 achievements the job with arguably the most destructive power in the world. It's not a hill I'd fight, let alone die, on, though. :) 1- https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/press-release/ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/press-release/ 2- https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/obama/facts/ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/obama/facts/
        myrmidon 1y ago
        If you wanted to avoid "misnominations", you'd be forced to wait until the career of the nominee is over (meaning in many cases: award it posthumously). But the Nobel price explicitly tries to avoid that; hindsight is always gonna be better.
- rsynnott 1y ago
  The Obama one was pretty much for not being George W Bush (or, more to the point, not being controlled by Dick Cheney et al; Bush himself wasn't the _real_ problem there). They'd probably have given it to McCain if he'd won, too. People were _really_ worried about Bush and pals; by the end Cheney was pushing Bush to _start a war with Iran_.
  - wtcactus 1y ago
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- timeon 1y ago
  Kissinger's decision is debatable but legit. That time it was not only about him. It was just pathetic from him to took it when his co-winner declined. Price for Obama was probably miss-step but at least he was not desperately begging for it like Trump does.
nevi-me 1y ago
You assume that we're dealing with a rational person who has all their senses intact. The deal would likely take months for the world to see if it's successful. He can get nominated next year if he keeps his own house peaceful too, else he should forget about a rational nomination + award of the Prize.
- philipallstar 1y ago
  You're not dealing with anyone. There's a chap in the white house you don't like, and you want to have a pre-emptive go at him. Either he doesn't say anything, in which case you forget you said this. Or he is upset, in which case you feel justified in this. Or he's happy for the winner, in which case you feel like if he mentions it at all he must be upset. If there's no way for you to change your stance based on any outcome, then it's pointless to say.
  - greggoB 1y ago
    I like how in turn you're having a preemptive go at this person. Also: the day Trump shows genuine selfless happiness for another's accomplishments, there won't be enough boots for me to eat.
    - philipallstar 1y ago
      I am actually dealing with a person though, and have set out a falsifiable case. > Also: the day Trump shows genuine selfless happiness for another's accomplishments, there won't be enough boots for me to eat. Same, but it's also true for anyone else.
      - greggoB 1y ago
        > I am actually dealing with a person though, and have set out a falsifiable case. As have they? We have many tests for determining whether or not a given person's senses are or not intact. > Same, but it's also true for anyone else. Note I said show. If you happen to live in a world where you feel you've been devoid of such empathy then I feel for you, but such an environment of narcissism is hardly representative.
prmoustache 1y ago
Even if the Gaza deal stick, I don't see how one could receive a nobel prize while deploying army and starting a war in their own country in cities/states/counties led by their political opponents.
- ungreased0675 1y ago
  Starting a war? Let’s not get too wild with the hyperbole please.
- throwaway24740 1y ago
  Deploying military police or the military proper in cities is a common practice in other liberal nations, the USA is the exception.
  - prmoustache 1y ago
    You can't speak of a liberal nation if it is run by a facist government. And Trump's regime is openly facist. No other kind of regime would call terrorists those who present themselves as antifacists.
leosanchez 1y ago
I think he wants Noble prize for stopping 700 wars.
- alwinaugustin 1y ago
  He will start his own prize now and award it for himself every year.
- ks2048 1y ago
  Well, he did claim to have solved the war between Albania and Azerbaijan - that alone is worthy of a prize.
  - tim333 1y ago
    You have to admit there is almost no fighting between them now.
crossroadsguy 1y ago
Huh. Obama was given in advance – anticipatory. Maybe as a moral loan and it is up for debates whether it was ever repaid.
- rhubarbtree 1y ago
  Very debatable. His deal with Iran kept the peace though - trump ripping it up led to war. Ironically, trump may win the peace prize next year for ending a war he created. If indeed, against the odds, he has ended this war.
  - throwaway24740 1y ago
    What war did Trump create?
    - rhubarbtree 1y ago
      > Very debatable. His deal with Iran kept the peace though - trump ripping it up led to war.
  - JimDugan 1y ago
    >For ending a war he created. What war did Trump create that you claim he's ending? Because as far as I know, Israel's war on Gaza started before his term, and if the peace deal holds, Trump will be almost singlehandedly responsible for ending it. If that's not worthy of a Nobel Peace prize, I truly don't know what else is.
    - C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 1y ago
      > What war did Trump create that you claim he's ending? He allowed Israel to break the last ceasefire immediately after the first phase of prisoner exchange was over, and to subsequently act with more brutality than even before. He started that chapter himself, whether through psychopatic indifference, narcisstic business fantasy of a future riviera with his name, or being a completely weak man who couldn't say no. Whatever the reason, he started the next 7 months of slaughter.
rhubarbtree 1y ago
I hope they’ve managed to convey this to the whitehouse. It really didn’t help when they gave Obama the prize. Even he was embarrassed by it. I think trump genuinely deserves the prize if peace in the Middle East achieved. However, I think it’s far more likely he’s being played for a fool by Israel as per Russia. Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars, to his credit. Norway is no doubt now bracing itself for tariffs or other retaliation. Hopefully they can dangle next year’s prize as worth waiting for.
- greggoB 1y ago
  > Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars, to his credit. Just going to drop this here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYFVEka3fA&pp=ygUYc2FyY2FzbWl0cm9uIHRoZSB3YXJzIG9m https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYFVEka3fA&pp=ygUYc2FyY2FzbWl...
  - rhubarbtree 1y ago
    Thanks for sharing a video blaming Trump for the Ukraine war. I don't think that's a fair assessment. I believe Russia is primarily to blame, on account of it repeatedly invading Ukraine. I believe NATO also encouraged it. I don't recall Trump ordering American troops to invade Ukraine. Don't see how you're negating my point? (fwiw, I am not a Trump supporter at all, I just try to see both sides and not hate trump because "he's the other team" - politics is not football)
    - greggoB 1y ago
      > Thanks for sharing a video blaming Trump for the Ukraine war. I had to do a double-take here - where exactly in the video is Ukraine featured? > I don't recall Trump ordering American troops to invade Ukraine. Don't see how you're negating my point? The entire premise of the video I linked is that Trump has no qualms having the US involved in military action, it befuddles me that you somehow seemed to missed this entirely. > (fwiw, I am not a Trump supporter at all, I just try to see both sides and not hate trump because "he's the other team" - politics is not football) Hate has nothing to do with it, you made a statement regarding his stance on foreign wars, I provided a source which I believe contextualizes that statement. You're welcome to disagree with the source or its contents or whatever, but throwing out pretty blatant red herrings and silly strawmen just looks silly.
mtlmtlmtlmtl 1y ago
Nonsense, is it? https://x.com/StevenCheung47/status/1976601157041856756 https://x.com/StevenCheung47/status/1976601157041856756
- jjkaczor 1y ago
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insane_dreamer 1y ago
> nobody, including Trump, would expect to be honored oh, he absolutely 100% would

That is nonsense. Even if the Gaza deal was worthy a Nobel Peace Prize, nobody, including Trump, would expect to be honored two days after the deal.

by jansan 1y ago

That is nonsense. Even if the Gaza deal was worthy a Nobel Peace Prize, nobody, including Trump, would expect to be honored two days after the deal.

ddrdrck_ 1y ago

You mean, nobody except Trump.

mw67 1y ago

The deal won't even last, we all know Israel can't stop killing until they get all the lands they want, and Trump knows it too: https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1976374346538156429 https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1976374346538156429

eru 1y ago

They should really have given him one before the deal. I mean, Obama got one just for showing up. (To be clear, I don't think Trump should get one; and Obama's win was really weird. But, hey, if Kissinger can get one..)

kgwgk 1y ago
Maybe they didn’t want to make the same mistake: Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
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anilakar 1y ago
When you fuck up world peace so badly your successor gets the prize for doing nothing...
- rkomorn 1y ago
  Not even "for doing nothing", more like "before doing anything". He wasn't even 10 months into his presidency. If there's one job in the world where I'd wait until someone's well out of office before judging their impact on peace, it's the US presidency. I'm in a circle of people who lean pretty damn far left and even at the time, the only reactions I heard were "huh, what?"
  - eru 1y ago
    > If there's one job in the world where I'd wait until someone's well out of office before judging their impact on peace, it's the US presidency. Sure, but if you want your prize to have an impact, you sometimes have to hand it out to hopefuls?
    - rkomorn 1y ago
      I dunno. Do you? Does the Nobel prize have a history of shaping the future? Did winning the Nobel prize make Obama a different president? Was it supposed to? To me, it seemed oddly aspirational, but maybe that's more often the case with the peace prize, too. Also worth noting that the language in the press release [1] and facts page [2] makes it all sound like it was for things already achieved (although maybe that's at odds with "Inspires Hope for a Better Future"), and I'm skeptical of looking at year 1 achievements the job with arguably the most destructive power in the world. It's not a hill I'd fight, let alone die, on, though. :) 1- https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/press-release/ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/press-release/ 2- https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/obama/facts/ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/obama/facts/
      - myrmidon 1y ago
        If you wanted to avoid "misnominations", you'd be forced to wait until the career of the nominee is over (meaning in many cases: award it posthumously). But the Nobel price explicitly tries to avoid that; hindsight is always gonna be better.
rsynnott 1y ago
The Obama one was pretty much for not being George W Bush (or, more to the point, not being controlled by Dick Cheney et al; Bush himself wasn't the _real_ problem there). They'd probably have given it to McCain if he'd won, too. People were _really_ worried about Bush and pals; by the end Cheney was pushing Bush to _start a war with Iran_.
- wtcactus 1y ago
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timeon 1y ago
Kissinger's decision is debatable but legit. That time it was not only about him. It was just pathetic from him to took it when his co-winner declined. Price for Obama was probably miss-step but at least he was not desperately begging for it like Trump does.

nevi-me 1y ago

You assume that we're dealing with a rational person who has all their senses intact. The deal would likely take months for the world to see if it's successful. He can get nominated next year if he keeps his own house peaceful too, else he should forget about a rational nomination + award of the Prize.

philipallstar 1y ago
You're not dealing with anyone. There's a chap in the white house you don't like, and you want to have a pre-emptive go at him. Either he doesn't say anything, in which case you forget you said this. Or he is upset, in which case you feel justified in this. Or he's happy for the winner, in which case you feel like if he mentions it at all he must be upset. If there's no way for you to change your stance based on any outcome, then it's pointless to say.
- greggoB 1y ago
  I like how in turn you're having a preemptive go at this person. Also: the day Trump shows genuine selfless happiness for another's accomplishments, there won't be enough boots for me to eat.
  - philipallstar 1y ago
    I am actually dealing with a person though, and have set out a falsifiable case. > Also: the day Trump shows genuine selfless happiness for another's accomplishments, there won't be enough boots for me to eat. Same, but it's also true for anyone else.
    - greggoB 1y ago
      > I am actually dealing with a person though, and have set out a falsifiable case. As have they? We have many tests for determining whether or not a given person's senses are or not intact. > Same, but it's also true for anyone else. Note I said show. If you happen to live in a world where you feel you've been devoid of such empathy then I feel for you, but such an environment of narcissism is hardly representative.

prmoustache 1y ago

Even if the Gaza deal stick, I don't see how one could receive a nobel prize while deploying army and starting a war in their own country in cities/states/counties led by their political opponents.

ungreased0675 1y ago
Starting a war? Let’s not get too wild with the hyperbole please.
throwaway24740 1y ago
Deploying military police or the military proper in cities is a common practice in other liberal nations, the USA is the exception.
- prmoustache 1y ago
  You can't speak of a liberal nation if it is run by a facist government. And Trump's regime is openly facist. No other kind of regime would call terrorists those who present themselves as antifacists.

leosanchez 1y ago

I think he wants Noble prize for stopping 700 wars.

alwinaugustin 1y ago
He will start his own prize now and award it for himself every year.
ks2048 1y ago
Well, he did claim to have solved the war between Albania and Azerbaijan - that alone is worthy of a prize.
- tim333 1y ago
  You have to admit there is almost no fighting between them now.

crossroadsguy 1y ago

Huh. Obama was given in advance – anticipatory. Maybe as a moral loan and it is up for debates whether it was ever repaid.

rhubarbtree 1y ago
Very debatable. His deal with Iran kept the peace though - trump ripping it up led to war. Ironically, trump may win the peace prize next year for ending a war he created. If indeed, against the odds, he has ended this war.
- throwaway24740 1y ago
  What war did Trump create?
  - rhubarbtree 1y ago
    > Very debatable. His deal with Iran kept the peace though - trump ripping it up led to war.
- JimDugan 1y ago
  >For ending a war he created. What war did Trump create that you claim he's ending? Because as far as I know, Israel's war on Gaza started before his term, and if the peace deal holds, Trump will be almost singlehandedly responsible for ending it. If that's not worthy of a Nobel Peace prize, I truly don't know what else is.
  - C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 1y ago
    > What war did Trump create that you claim he's ending? He allowed Israel to break the last ceasefire immediately after the first phase of prisoner exchange was over, and to subsequently act with more brutality than even before. He started that chapter himself, whether through psychopatic indifference, narcisstic business fantasy of a future riviera with his name, or being a completely weak man who couldn't say no. Whatever the reason, he started the next 7 months of slaughter.

rhubarbtree 1y ago

I hope they’ve managed to convey this to the whitehouse. It really didn’t help when they gave Obama the prize. Even he was embarrassed by it. I think trump genuinely deserves the prize if peace in the Middle East achieved. However, I think it’s far more likely he’s being played for a fool by Israel as per Russia. Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars, to his credit. Norway is no doubt now bracing itself for tariffs or other retaliation. Hopefully they can dangle next year’s prize as worth waiting for.

greggoB 1y ago
> Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars, to his credit. Just going to drop this here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYFVEka3fA&pp=ygUYc2FyY2FzbWl0cm9uIHRoZSB3YXJzIG9m https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYFVEka3fA&pp=ygUYc2FyY2FzbWl...
- rhubarbtree 1y ago
  Thanks for sharing a video blaming Trump for the Ukraine war. I don't think that's a fair assessment. I believe Russia is primarily to blame, on account of it repeatedly invading Ukraine. I believe NATO also encouraged it. I don't recall Trump ordering American troops to invade Ukraine. Don't see how you're negating my point? (fwiw, I am not a Trump supporter at all, I just try to see both sides and not hate trump because "he's the other team" - politics is not football)
  - greggoB 1y ago
    > Thanks for sharing a video blaming Trump for the Ukraine war. I had to do a double-take here - where exactly in the video is Ukraine featured? > I don't recall Trump ordering American troops to invade Ukraine. Don't see how you're negating my point? The entire premise of the video I linked is that Trump has no qualms having the US involved in military action, it befuddles me that you somehow seemed to missed this entirely. > (fwiw, I am not a Trump supporter at all, I just try to see both sides and not hate trump because "he's the other team" - politics is not football) Hate has nothing to do with it, you made a statement regarding his stance on foreign wars, I provided a source which I believe contextualizes that statement. You're welcome to disagree with the source or its contents or whatever, but throwing out pretty blatant red herrings and silly strawmen just looks silly.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 1y ago

Nonsense, is it? https://x.com/StevenCheung47/status/1976601157041856756 https://x.com/StevenCheung47/status/1976601157041856756

jjkaczor 1y ago
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insane_dreamer 1y ago

> nobody, including Trump, would expect to be honored oh, he absolutely 100% would