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"Germany is persecuting anyone who dares to criticize officials on the Internet Bull. Shit. If you break the existing laws, by insulting or slandering someone,

"Germany is persecuting anyone who dares to criticize officials on the Internet Bull. Shit. If you break the existing laws, by insulting or slandering someone, you might have to face the consequences. But I guess it is easy to point the finger at Germany and conjure the specter of the fascists if you live in Dubai, come from Russia, and created 2 of the biggest troll-mills ever. Would not want to rattle the cage too much, would we.

ljf 1y ago
Same for his suggestion the 1000s of people are in prison for tweeting - there are people who are jailed for malicious communications but that includes terrorism and a few others things that are far more serious than simply presenting an opinion on a website.
nairboon 1y ago
> anyone who dares to criticize officials > by insulting or slandering someone That's a bit of a straw man isn't it? The German government makes it very easy to point fingers at them: The German minister of economics and "vice president" (vice chancellor) had so much free time and capacity to sue more than 800 citizens! https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1493232/umfrage/strafanzeigen-durch-bundesminister-in-deutschland/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1493232/umfra... The vice president of a G7 country suing old men because they called him a numbnut on the internet is ridiculous.
- jagermo 1y ago
  no, its not. He exercised his right to not be insulted and slandered - same as if those people would have walked up to him and talked to him directly. Especially if you see the hate that was sprewed at him at every single post, news, update or whatever, i completley understand. This has nothing to do with criticizing someone - Habeck actually has a good track record of sitting down with other people and talking with them, but stuff like death threats. More background here at politico https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-robert-habeck-files-730-hate-crime-charge/ https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-robert-habeck-files-... this were massive attacks leading up to the european election not people unhappy with "Ze Greens". Also, on the "old man calling him an idiot”: << Habeck authorized prosecutors to pursue the case for the insult against him by issuing what in German is known as a "Strafantrag." However, this is different from an individually-submitted criminal complaint to law enforcement authorities known as a "Strafanzeige," and could indicate that law enforcement had first invited or asked Habeck to press the charges. Prosecutors did not specify who had approached who first. So, not Habeck going after him, but simply saying that its ok to pursue the inquiry. << The Bavaria resident is also accused of posting Nazi-era imagery and language earlier in 2024. According to prosecutors, this post may have violated German laws against the incitement of ethnic or religious hatred. Yeah, that "old guy" seems like a real treat and not at all like an asshole right-wing dumbnut. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-over-online-insult/a-70793557 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... The old guy was also not convicted, something the right-wingers found super cool.

ljf 1y ago

Same for his suggestion the 1000s of people are in prison for tweeting - there are people who are jailed for malicious communications but that includes terrorism and a few others things that are far more serious than simply presenting an opinion on a website.

nairboon 1y ago

> anyone who dares to criticize officials > by insulting or slandering someone That's a bit of a straw man isn't it? The German government makes it very easy to point fingers at them: The German minister of economics and "vice president" (vice chancellor) had so much free time and capacity to sue more than 800 citizens! https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1493232/umfrage/strafanzeigen-durch-bundesminister-in-deutschland/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1493232/umfra... The vice president of a G7 country suing old men because they called him a numbnut on the internet is ridiculous.

jagermo 1y ago
no, its not. He exercised his right to not be insulted and slandered - same as if those people would have walked up to him and talked to him directly. Especially if you see the hate that was sprewed at him at every single post, news, update or whatever, i completley understand. This has nothing to do with criticizing someone - Habeck actually has a good track record of sitting down with other people and talking with them, but stuff like death threats. More background here at politico https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-robert-habeck-files-730-hate-crime-charge/ https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-robert-habeck-files-... this were massive attacks leading up to the european election not people unhappy with "Ze Greens". Also, on the "old man calling him an idiot”: << Habeck authorized prosecutors to pursue the case for the insult against him by issuing what in German is known as a "Strafantrag." However, this is different from an individually-submitted criminal complaint to law enforcement authorities known as a "Strafanzeige," and could indicate that law enforcement had first invited or asked Habeck to press the charges. Prosecutors did not specify who had approached who first. So, not Habeck going after him, but simply saying that its ok to pursue the inquiry. << The Bavaria resident is also accused of posting Nazi-era imagery and language earlier in 2024. According to prosecutors, this post may have violated German laws against the incitement of ethnic or religious hatred. Yeah, that "old guy" seems like a real treat and not at all like an asshole right-wing dumbnut. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-over-online-insult/a-70793557 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... The old guy was also not convicted, something the right-wingers found super cool.