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No universal healthcare and college education costs through the roof, but Israel and Argentina getting handouts like it's Xmas day. Your farmers are collapsing

No universal healthcare and college education costs through the roof, but Israel and Argentina getting handouts like it's Xmas day. Your farmers are collapsing and going bankrupt, your job creation is falling, you are cutting SNAP benefits and billionaires are getting tax breaks. I just don't understand why so many Americans are on board with this.

hackernewds 1y ago
They are not onboard. But the oligarchs and kings need a foreign residence to loot.
- bigbadfeline 1y ago
  > But the oligarchs and kings need a foreign residence The political reason is saving the image of corporatism. Argentina under Milei was hyped as the libertarian paradise to happen real soon now. Unfortunately it went down-under even faster, exactly as everyone with a brain expected.
xenospn 1y ago
Technically, the aid sent to Israel is an American jobs program. The money that is sent there goes directly to the military-industrial complex back in the United States.
- tyleo 1y ago
  Reminds me of the AMD <—> OpenAI circular financing. America has practiced this trick well.
- bigbadfeline 1y ago
  > The money that is sent there goes directly to the military-industrial complex back in the United States. So it's a ploy to expand the military budget beyond what was allocated by Congress. Either way, that's a money sink, not an investment.
- churchill 1y ago
  No, it's not. The dollars are simply a proxy for transferring weapons/value for free. If you want a jobs program, create one to build affordable housing, infra., etc., not fight endless wars.
- jkaplowitz 1y ago
  But that frees up Israel to do other stuff with the money they would otherwise have spent on the types of military equipment they buy from the US, since the US money doesn't replace Israel's other sources of funding. It does increase Israel's total spending power, even if it also forces some of that spending to go to US vendors.
- asdff 1y ago
  On the other hand, supporting the weaponmaking sector of the military-industrial complex silos domestic technical talent from otherwise working on problems that don't involve killing other people.
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trod1234 1y ago
The nature of human organization and political structure is based on a weighted asymmetry of power where some autonomy is given up in exchange for a greater survive-ability. This is inherent in the basic understanding of the social contract theory. The structure of the system itself has flaws in the same way, because of that asymmetry, on the positive side it allows someone capable to do great things with the resources available, but equally when you have a rotten cancerous parasitic crop of leaders, it spreads that corruption and toxic love everywhere just like Hexxus as he gets out of the prison. American's aren't on board when that sacred promise is broken by oathbreakers. It does take time for the abuses to accumulate before a population will be spurned to action, it always happens like this during the fall of empires. The environment becomes so disadvantaged and rife with abuse that the average person understands that there is no out, you can't get away, there is only through. The same as was brilliant depicted in Andor. People will starve, but the abuses are necessary to mobilize the population to action. It doesn't happen otherwise because the consequence is too great (existentially so).
mindslight 1y ago
> I just don't understand why so many Americans are on board with this. Citizens used to mostly talk to each other and make for a slow moving consensus, with a small overton window of broadcast mass media anchoring people to the status quo. Now they have a constant stream of grade A bullshit propaganda pumped into their eyes every time they check their phone, complete with a simulation of social proof as well. Remember the first Trump term when the party of "from my cold dead hands" was enthusiastically cheering on the jackboots for doing the exact type of night time home invasion that runs roughshod over the idea of self defense ? That's the level of extreme cognitive dissonance that social media can support.
rchaud 1y ago
The people crowing about states' rights are quick to cheer national guard deployments in cities that didn't vote for the sitting head of state. The people who shout down calls for student loan forgiveness are in full support of it if it helps ICE hit their recruitment targets. Why wouldn't those same people, who want international aid to go to zero be fine with a multi billion bailout of a South American country? America is effectively two different countries at this point.
ProllyInfamous 1y ago
I'm a US medical school drop out that has zero dependants and chooses NOT to pay for health insurance. We should have had single-payer healthcare decades ago... My plan is to just die once my body eventually gives out. So far, on point.
sixothree 1y ago
It is hard to describe how misinformed and underinformed so many people are. But mostly just how susceptible they are to obvious propaganda.
intermerda 1y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_of_Whiteness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_of_Whiteness explained a lot for me. > Trevor died from liver disease that would have been preventable if he had had access to health care. But until his dying breath, he agreed with the policies that prevented ACA improvements because he did not want his tax dollars to pay for Mexicans or "welfare queens".
hulitu 1y ago
> I just don't understand why so many Americans are on board with this. Bread (McDonalds, BurgerKing) and circus (TV, streaming).

hackernewds 1y ago

They are not onboard. But the oligarchs and kings need a foreign residence to loot.

bigbadfeline 1y ago
> But the oligarchs and kings need a foreign residence The political reason is saving the image of corporatism. Argentina under Milei was hyped as the libertarian paradise to happen real soon now. Unfortunately it went down-under even faster, exactly as everyone with a brain expected.

xenospn 1y ago

Technically, the aid sent to Israel is an American jobs program. The money that is sent there goes directly to the military-industrial complex back in the United States.

tyleo 1y ago
Reminds me of the AMD <—> OpenAI circular financing. America has practiced this trick well.
bigbadfeline 1y ago
> The money that is sent there goes directly to the military-industrial complex back in the United States. So it's a ploy to expand the military budget beyond what was allocated by Congress. Either way, that's a money sink, not an investment.
churchill 1y ago
No, it's not. The dollars are simply a proxy for transferring weapons/value for free. If you want a jobs program, create one to build affordable housing, infra., etc., not fight endless wars.
jkaplowitz 1y ago
But that frees up Israel to do other stuff with the money they would otherwise have spent on the types of military equipment they buy from the US, since the US money doesn't replace Israel's other sources of funding. It does increase Israel's total spending power, even if it also forces some of that spending to go to US vendors.
asdff 1y ago
On the other hand, supporting the weaponmaking sector of the military-industrial complex silos domestic technical talent from otherwise working on problems that don't involve killing other people.

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trod1234 1y ago

The nature of human organization and political structure is based on a weighted asymmetry of power where some autonomy is given up in exchange for a greater survive-ability. This is inherent in the basic understanding of the social contract theory. The structure of the system itself has flaws in the same way, because of that asymmetry, on the positive side it allows someone capable to do great things with the resources available, but equally when you have a rotten cancerous parasitic crop of leaders, it spreads that corruption and toxic love everywhere just like Hexxus as he gets out of the prison. American's aren't on board when that sacred promise is broken by oathbreakers. It does take time for the abuses to accumulate before a population will be spurned to action, it always happens like this during the fall of empires. The environment becomes so disadvantaged and rife with abuse that the average person understands that there is no out, you can't get away, there is only through. The same as was brilliant depicted in Andor. People will starve, but the abuses are necessary to mobilize the population to action. It doesn't happen otherwise because the consequence is too great (existentially so).

mindslight 1y ago

> I just don't understand why so many Americans are on board with this. Citizens used to mostly talk to each other and make for a slow moving consensus, with a small overton window of broadcast mass media anchoring people to the status quo. Now they have a constant stream of grade A bullshit propaganda pumped into their eyes every time they check their phone, complete with a simulation of social proof as well. Remember the first Trump term when the party of "from my cold dead hands" was enthusiastically cheering on the jackboots for doing the exact type of night time home invasion that runs roughshod over the idea of self defense ? That's the level of extreme cognitive dissonance that social media can support.

rchaud 1y ago

The people crowing about states' rights are quick to cheer national guard deployments in cities that didn't vote for the sitting head of state. The people who shout down calls for student loan forgiveness are in full support of it if it helps ICE hit their recruitment targets. Why wouldn't those same people, who want international aid to go to zero be fine with a multi billion bailout of a South American country? America is effectively two different countries at this point.

ProllyInfamous 1y ago

I'm a US medical school drop out that has zero dependants and chooses NOT to pay for health insurance. We should have had single-payer healthcare decades ago... My plan is to just die once my body eventually gives out. So far, on point.

sixothree 1y ago

It is hard to describe how misinformed and underinformed so many people are. But mostly just how susceptible they are to obvious propaganda.

intermerda 1y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_of_Whiteness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_of_Whiteness explained a lot for me. > Trevor died from liver disease that would have been preventable if he had had access to health care. But until his dying breath, he agreed with the policies that prevented ACA improvements because he did not want his tax dollars to pay for Mexicans or "welfare queens".

hulitu 1y ago

> I just don't understand why so many Americans are on board with this. Bread (McDonalds, BurgerKing) and circus (TV, streaming).