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It's funny that you mention it because, as Rob said, we've been playing with the idea of adding a competitive edge, but the commissions is a cool idea. We were

It's funny that you mention it because, as Rob said, we've been playing with the idea of adding a competitive edge, but the commissions is a cool idea. We were also considering a kind of achievements approach as well as a leaderboard but want to try and keep the idea of it as a tool as opposed to a toy. Love the data idea, in fact surplus of data is already a bit of an issue; we're running out of screen real-estate.

ukoki 14y ago
of course - the alternative is to not share anything. With the data you have on your users, once you can isolate users who consistently come up with strategies that consistently make money after their creation date - well, you might as well set up a hedge fund on the side and give the product away for free.
- mdupenois 14y ago
  Hah, yeah, unfortunately the legal team at the incubator we're in suggests we might not survive too long as a company if we go down that route :)
  - shyn3 14y ago
    Your data is going to be insanely valuable if you can get good analysts working on your platform. I was wondering if you could elaborate as to why they feel this way? I would love to know that the top X % of traders are willing to play with my money in a transparent manner.
  - ukoki 14y ago
    haha fair enough - thinking about it there's all kinds of nefarious ways you could use the data. Looking at your product a bit more, this might be complicating things a little and it's going to hammer your database but I'd love the ability to fit variables to a strategy - eg I want a strategy like "IF X day moving sample average for GOOG is better than Y day moving sample average for GOOG buy ELSE sell" But I don't really know the best X and Y, so I'd like to leave those as variables and have the software find the optimum values based on historical data.
    - afarquhar 14y ago
      we've all been salivating about the potential for an 'Optimise' button. It would be really cool, it has a few wrinkles though, e.g. there might not be a unique maximum solution, so how do you choose the best one? Once there are a few variable involved it may be a job for a genetic algo, but it would have to be in the background. All food for thought ;-)
      - ukoki 14y ago
        Here's how I'd do it: Don't let the variable be the stock itself because otherwise your search space will be too big... limit the number of stocks you can optimise on and constrict it to variables like "moving average duration". That way you can load the stock data onto the client side and do the processing there (presumably you're already doing this for your graphs anyway) - kick it off with a few generations of pretty loose genetic algorithm then when you get near your time limit switch to simulated annealing with the best handful of results to narrow down the answer as fast as possible. Keep it quick, say 2 seconds tops. Then what you can do is give the client a confidence rating so you can say something like "Found the following result with 89% confidence. Click here to perform a longer search for higher accuracy". Work out your confidence rating based on how bumpy the ride was.

ukoki 14y ago

of course - the alternative is to not share anything. With the data you have on your users, once you can isolate users who consistently come up with strategies that consistently make money after their creation date - well, you might as well set up a hedge fund on the side and give the product away for free.

mdupenois 14y ago
Hah, yeah, unfortunately the legal team at the incubator we're in suggests we might not survive too long as a company if we go down that route :)
- shyn3 14y ago
  Your data is going to be insanely valuable if you can get good analysts working on your platform. I was wondering if you could elaborate as to why they feel this way? I would love to know that the top X % of traders are willing to play with my money in a transparent manner.
- ukoki 14y ago
  haha fair enough - thinking about it there's all kinds of nefarious ways you could use the data. Looking at your product a bit more, this might be complicating things a little and it's going to hammer your database but I'd love the ability to fit variables to a strategy - eg I want a strategy like "IF X day moving sample average for GOOG is better than Y day moving sample average for GOOG buy ELSE sell" But I don't really know the best X and Y, so I'd like to leave those as variables and have the software find the optimum values based on historical data.
  - afarquhar 14y ago
    we've all been salivating about the potential for an 'Optimise' button. It would be really cool, it has a few wrinkles though, e.g. there might not be a unique maximum solution, so how do you choose the best one? Once there are a few variable involved it may be a job for a genetic algo, but it would have to be in the background. All food for thought ;-)
    - ukoki 14y ago
      Here's how I'd do it: Don't let the variable be the stock itself because otherwise your search space will be too big... limit the number of stocks you can optimise on and constrict it to variables like "moving average duration". That way you can load the stock data onto the client side and do the processing there (presumably you're already doing this for your graphs anyway) - kick it off with a few generations of pretty loose genetic algorithm then when you get near your time limit switch to simulated annealing with the best handful of results to narrow down the answer as fast as possible. Keep it quick, say 2 seconds tops. Then what you can do is give the client a confidence rating so you can say something like "Found the following result with 89% confidence. Click here to perform a longer search for higher accuracy". Work out your confidence rating based on how bumpy the ride was.