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If you’re simply trying to say “don’t make claims you don’t have hard data on”, say that - but you’re not making any better of an effective argument against the

If you’re simply trying to say “don’t make claims you don’t have hard data on”, say that - but you’re not making any better of an effective argument against the belief itself. I’m not trying to sling wild hyperbole out there, in fact I thought it was relatively self-evident from pure observation which is why I made it so casually. In fact, I’d contend you are arguing the counterpoint because you don’t like what it would imply, and have some resentment towards Omarchy or something else about what I’ve said. I’m not going to insult your intelligence by linking basic psych to support why that’s likely.

BoredPositron 1y ago
You have the burden of proof completely backward. It's not my job to argue against your "belief." You made the claim, so you're the one who has to provide something to back it up. And trying to make this about my supposed "resentment" is a classic deflection. It's way easier to guess at my motives than to actually defend your own argument. You literally described your own confirmation bias ("I see a very clear pattern"). I'm not the one arguing based on feelings here. Believe what you want. Speaking of feelings the only feeling I have about omarchy is that it's a bit performative with the over ricing but that's mainly about visual taste and personally I am for less animations in my wm/de but hey whatever floats your boat. We're done here unless you have something more than just your feelings to bring to the table. I checked the discord just for fun and found about 40 framework related posts with sort of an intention to buy. What a humongous amount of sales for a company like framework...
- aeon_ai 1y ago
  Adios.
  - BoredPositron 1y ago
    All hat, no cattle.
    - aeon_ai 1y ago
      I had a feeling we weren't done here, cowboy. https://x.com/ThePrimeagen/status/1976357773714809329 https://x.com/ThePrimeagen/status/1976357773714809329 In addition to all 40 mentions of framework (on page 1 of your discord search), Omarchy is being featured regularly (in tandem with frameworks) as the distro of choice of our lord and savior ThePrimeagen. But, I'm just out here callin it like I see it - Did I make the wild claim of only hundreds of frameworks? I meant BILLIONS! BILLIONS!!!
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      - BoredPositron 1y ago
        You wrote this: >> Omarchy is literally resulting in the sale of hundreds of framework devices, and (love it or hate it) causing a number of people to finally switch to Linux - myself included. Nice tweet but I have no idea who this influencer (your Lord and Savior LOL) is or what he has to do with framework sales. Despite your implications there is no mention of framework in the x thread either? Looking at his statements I can totally see why you would be a fan though. That Page 1 misdirection attempt is a bit sad but hilarious. That hat starts to look comically large and seems to grow larger by the comment. I sadly still see no cattle though. Yee fucking haw.
        aeon_ai 1y ago
        You not knowing who ThePrimeagen is, or the size of his following/influence, is a 'you' problem, not a 'me' problem. Belief perseverance together with confirmation bias (and maybe a dash of ego protection) does indeed make for a powerful combo. Perhaps if I were to see a duck walking in the woods, instead of proclaiming that I see a duck, I should instead assert "I see something that looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but I lack the genetic evidence this animal is indeed a duck, therefore I must assert only that I have witnessed something duck-like" I've provided plenty of evidence for you to at least admit my claim is eminently plausible, and I tend to believe that even if I were to go out and collect the hard data you so desperately desire, you would still fall back on a "Well, you shouldn't have made such an off-hand comment so confidently unless you had the hard data" This seems less interested in actual evidence of whether hundreds of sales (such a huge, hyperbolic number for a company estimated to sell orders of magnitude more devices) were driven by the Omarchy+Framework hype train, and more attempting to win an internet debate about whether we can make claims based on our lived observations.

BoredPositron 1y ago

You have the burden of proof completely backward. It's not my job to argue against your "belief." You made the claim, so you're the one who has to provide something to back it up. And trying to make this about my supposed "resentment" is a classic deflection. It's way easier to guess at my motives than to actually defend your own argument. You literally described your own confirmation bias ("I see a very clear pattern"). I'm not the one arguing based on feelings here. Believe what you want. Speaking of feelings the only feeling I have about omarchy is that it's a bit performative with the over ricing but that's mainly about visual taste and personally I am for less animations in my wm/de but hey whatever floats your boat. We're done here unless you have something more than just your feelings to bring to the table. I checked the discord just for fun and found about 40 framework related posts with sort of an intention to buy. What a humongous amount of sales for a company like framework...

aeon_ai 1y ago
Adios.
- BoredPositron 1y ago
  All hat, no cattle.
  - aeon_ai 1y ago
    I had a feeling we weren't done here, cowboy. https://x.com/ThePrimeagen/status/1976357773714809329 https://x.com/ThePrimeagen/status/1976357773714809329 In addition to all 40 mentions of framework (on page 1 of your discord search), Omarchy is being featured regularly (in tandem with frameworks) as the distro of choice of our lord and savior ThePrimeagen. But, I'm just out here callin it like I see it - Did I make the wild claim of only hundreds of frameworks? I meant BILLIONS! BILLIONS!!!
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    - BoredPositron 1y ago
      You wrote this: >> Omarchy is literally resulting in the sale of hundreds of framework devices, and (love it or hate it) causing a number of people to finally switch to Linux - myself included. Nice tweet but I have no idea who this influencer (your Lord and Savior LOL) is or what he has to do with framework sales. Despite your implications there is no mention of framework in the x thread either? Looking at his statements I can totally see why you would be a fan though. That Page 1 misdirection attempt is a bit sad but hilarious. That hat starts to look comically large and seems to grow larger by the comment. I sadly still see no cattle though. Yee fucking haw.
      - aeon_ai 1y ago
        You not knowing who ThePrimeagen is, or the size of his following/influence, is a 'you' problem, not a 'me' problem. Belief perseverance together with confirmation bias (and maybe a dash of ego protection) does indeed make for a powerful combo. Perhaps if I were to see a duck walking in the woods, instead of proclaiming that I see a duck, I should instead assert "I see something that looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but I lack the genetic evidence this animal is indeed a duck, therefore I must assert only that I have witnessed something duck-like" I've provided plenty of evidence for you to at least admit my claim is eminently plausible, and I tend to believe that even if I were to go out and collect the hard data you so desperately desire, you would still fall back on a "Well, you shouldn't have made such an off-hand comment so confidently unless you had the hard data" This seems less interested in actual evidence of whether hundreds of sales (such a huge, hyperbolic number for a company estimated to sell orders of magnitude more devices) were driven by the Omarchy+Framework hype train, and more attempting to win an internet debate about whether we can make claims based on our lived observations.