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Lot of salt in this thread. Supercars are gorgeous regardless of their propulsion method.

by 4d4m 1y ago

taylodl 1y ago
Alfa Romeo did an experiment for you. The Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale comes with two different propulsion systems: pure ICE and pure EV. The buyer chooses which one they want. Before you check it out, what are your expectations for which propulsion system chose? What you expect both propulsion methods to sell roughly equally, one propulsion method to maybe sell a little more than the other, or one propulsion method to vastly outsell the other? Once you looked at that, check out the sales numbers of the Lotus Evija. Then we can talk salt.
- rasz 1y ago
  Thats becuase EV moves the goal post. You are no longer buying an expensive thing, now you are buying expensive thing that is supposed to be FAST. Whats the point of >$2mil Evija when Plaid Track package at 1/20 the cost is equally quick? not to mention Sapphire, YangWang U9, or $70K Xiaomi SU7 Ultra. Its downright embarrassing. With combustion version you can at least pretend to care about sound (annoying noise) and experience (smell of fumes), EV erases all that and puts you on equal footing with frickin family sedans going 9 second 1/4.
  - taylodl 1y ago
    It’s true the Plaid Track Edition is brutally quick off the line, Tesla nailed the 0–60 quarter-mile game. But saying it’s 'just as fast' as the Lotus Evija misses the point. The Evija hits 200 mph in about 13 seconds. That’s not just fast - it’s hypercar territory. The Plaid tops out at 200 mph and takes much longer to get there. Meanwhile, the Evija goes beyond 200 mph and can sustain that speed. That’s what hypercars are all about: pushing the boundaries of engineering, not mass-producing performance sedans. They’re built to showcase what’s possible, not just what’s practical.
    - rasz 1y ago
      All 3 cars I mentioned hit 185mph in 14 seconds at fraction of the price. I find arguing about the last 15mph by Evija silly in light of Rimac Nevera doing 200mph in 10 seconds. Makes Evija look overpriced for what it delivers from one end, and slow and outdated from the other. https://carbuzz.com/lotus-evija-slower-than-rimac-nevera-r/ https://carbuzz.com/lotus-evija-slower-than-rimac-nevera-r/ EV is a great equalizer and that frightens supercar makers. Porsche is outright terrified and seems to be in panic mode together with all other German car makers under political pressure to go electric. Loud smelly combustion engine cars seem to be their last stand.
      - taylodl 1y ago
        Both the Nevera and Evija are pushing the envelope, are comparably priced, and have comparable performance numbers. My whole point of bringing up the Evija in the first place was to compare the sales numbers to that of the Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale, which doesn't even match the Evija's performance numbers. Yet more people are buying the Alfa Romeo and they're buying the ICE version, not the EV version. The Nevera, despite its performance, is struggling to sell. Which gets to what this article is about - can Ferrari succeed in the hypercar EV market where the others are struggling? My bet is: no. The moral of the story is auto enthusiasts prefer ICE cars. Everyone understands the engineering behind EVs and how they can beat ICE cars in almost every respect - but auto enthusiasts don't care. They appreciate the engineering that goes into the ICE car. It's like I've said, the Apple watch does more, but a horophile will prefer a Swiss made watch.

Lot of salt in this thread. Supercars are gorgeous regardless of their propulsion method.

by 4d4m 1y ago

Lot of salt in this thread. Supercars are gorgeous regardless of their propulsion method.

Alfa Romeo did an experiment for you. The Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale comes with two different propulsion systems: pure ICE and pure EV. The buyer chooses which one they want. Before you check it out, what are your expectations for which propulsion system chose? What you expect both propulsion methods to sell roughly equally, one propulsion method to maybe sell a little more than the other, or one propulsion method to vastly outsell the other? Once you looked at that, check out the sales numbers of the Lotus Evija. Then we can talk salt.

rasz 1y ago
Thats becuase EV moves the goal post. You are no longer buying an expensive thing, now you are buying expensive thing that is supposed to be FAST. Whats the point of >$2mil Evija when Plaid Track package at 1/20 the cost is equally quick? not to mention Sapphire, YangWang U9, or $70K Xiaomi SU7 Ultra. Its downright embarrassing. With combustion version you can at least pretend to care about sound (annoying noise) and experience (smell of fumes), EV erases all that and puts you on equal footing with frickin family sedans going 9 second 1/4.
- taylodl 1y ago
  It’s true the Plaid Track Edition is brutally quick off the line, Tesla nailed the 0–60 quarter-mile game. But saying it’s 'just as fast' as the Lotus Evija misses the point. The Evija hits 200 mph in about 13 seconds. That’s not just fast - it’s hypercar territory. The Plaid tops out at 200 mph and takes much longer to get there. Meanwhile, the Evija goes beyond 200 mph and can sustain that speed. That’s what hypercars are all about: pushing the boundaries of engineering, not mass-producing performance sedans. They’re built to showcase what’s possible, not just what’s practical.
  - rasz 1y ago
    All 3 cars I mentioned hit 185mph in 14 seconds at fraction of the price. I find arguing about the last 15mph by Evija silly in light of Rimac Nevera doing 200mph in 10 seconds. Makes Evija look overpriced for what it delivers from one end, and slow and outdated from the other. https://carbuzz.com/lotus-evija-slower-than-rimac-nevera-r/ https://carbuzz.com/lotus-evija-slower-than-rimac-nevera-r/ EV is a great equalizer and that frightens supercar makers. Porsche is outright terrified and seems to be in panic mode together with all other German car makers under political pressure to go electric. Loud smelly combustion engine cars seem to be their last stand.
    - taylodl 1y ago
      Both the Nevera and Evija are pushing the envelope, are comparably priced, and have comparable performance numbers. My whole point of bringing up the Evija in the first place was to compare the sales numbers to that of the Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale, which doesn't even match the Evija's performance numbers. Yet more people are buying the Alfa Romeo and they're buying the ICE version, not the EV version. The Nevera, despite its performance, is struggling to sell. Which gets to what this article is about - can Ferrari succeed in the hypercar EV market where the others are struggling? My bet is: no. The moral of the story is auto enthusiasts prefer ICE cars. Everyone understands the engineering behind EVs and how they can beat ICE cars in almost every respect - but auto enthusiasts don't care. They appreciate the engineering that goes into the ICE car. It's like I've said, the Apple watch does more, but a horophile will prefer a Swiss made watch.