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How long before moderately sized companies start hosting their own git servers again. Surely it wouldn’t be that difficult unless your repos are absolutely mass

How long before moderately sized companies start hosting their own git servers again. Surely it wouldn’t be that difficult unless your repos are absolutely massive. GitHub outages are so common these days

bntyhntr 1y ago
And then you need to add another server to the infra / netops / tools team's maintenance burden and then they take it down for an upgrade and it doesn't come back up etc etc. I don't think outages/downtime are necessarily a good reason to switch to self-hosting. I worked at a company that self-hosted the repo and code review tool and it was great, but it still had the same issues.
- mjr00 1y ago
  Yeah, as someone old enough to have worked at mid-sized companies before cloud-everything became the norm, self-hosting is overly romanticized. People think you'll get a full infrastructure team dedicated to making sure your self-hosted Git/Artifactory/Jira/Grafana/whatever runs super smoothly and never goes down. In reality it ends up being installed by a dev or IT as sort of a side project, and once the config is hacked together (and of course it's a special pet server and not any kind of repeatable infrastructure setup with Ansible or Docker, so yes you're stuck on Ubuntu 12.04 for a decade) they let it "just run" forever because they don't want to touch it (because making changes is the #1 reason for outages) so you're constantly 2+ years behind the latest version of everything. It's true that outages are probably less frequent, as a consequence of never making any changes, however when something does break e.g. security forces someone to actually upgrade the 5-years-since-end-of-support Ubuntu version and it breaks, it may take several days or weeks to fix because nobody actually knows anything about the configuration because it was last touched 10 years ago by 1 guy who has long left the company.
hypeatei 1y ago
I don't think running your own git server on its own is what's preventing this. It's all the other things you're missing like: CI/CD pipelines, code review tools, user management, etc...
- myrmidon 1y ago
  Run your own gitlab server then?
  - edoceo 1y ago
    Works for my small team.
- import 1y ago
  That’s already what Gitlab and gitea is doing
  - chrisweekly 1y ago
    Yeah - and IME (circa 2020-22) Gitlab/CI is at least as good as (or better than) Github/Actions.
d_silin 1y ago
How is GitLab doing?
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bntyhntr 1y ago

And then you need to add another server to the infra / netops / tools team's maintenance burden and then they take it down for an upgrade and it doesn't come back up etc etc. I don't think outages/downtime are necessarily a good reason to switch to self-hosting. I worked at a company that self-hosted the repo and code review tool and it was great, but it still had the same issues.

mjr00 1y ago
Yeah, as someone old enough to have worked at mid-sized companies before cloud-everything became the norm, self-hosting is overly romanticized. People think you'll get a full infrastructure team dedicated to making sure your self-hosted Git/Artifactory/Jira/Grafana/whatever runs super smoothly and never goes down. In reality it ends up being installed by a dev or IT as sort of a side project, and once the config is hacked together (and of course it's a special pet server and not any kind of repeatable infrastructure setup with Ansible or Docker, so yes you're stuck on Ubuntu 12.04 for a decade) they let it "just run" forever because they don't want to touch it (because making changes is the #1 reason for outages) so you're constantly 2+ years behind the latest version of everything. It's true that outages are probably less frequent, as a consequence of never making any changes, however when something does break e.g. security forces someone to actually upgrade the 5-years-since-end-of-support Ubuntu version and it breaks, it may take several days or weeks to fix because nobody actually knows anything about the configuration because it was last touched 10 years ago by 1 guy who has long left the company.

hypeatei 1y ago

I don't think running your own git server on its own is what's preventing this. It's all the other things you're missing like: CI/CD pipelines, code review tools, user management, etc...

myrmidon 1y ago
Run your own gitlab server then?
- edoceo 1y ago
  Works for my small team.
import 1y ago
That’s already what Gitlab and gitea is doing
- chrisweekly 1y ago
  Yeah - and IME (circa 2020-22) Gitlab/CI is at least as good as (or better than) Github/Actions.

d_silin 1y ago

How is GitLab doing?

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