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Trans related topics are expressly against TOC and enforced unless a subreddit is ruthless in removing any comments that aren't expressly positive and affirming

Trans related topics are expressly against TOC and enforced unless a subreddit is ruthless in removing any comments that aren't expressly positive and affirming. There is no room for nuance on this topic. Just giving an example.

alittlebee 1y ago
As a trans person, I find it interesting that so many people have opinions on an illness that truly sucks. It’s rough reading every day that you are “wrong” about something you suffer from. I wish folks could see the losses we experience when we transition. I think if they did, they might extend a little more grace and compassion. (That said, I do agree with you on nuance)
- cestith 1y ago
  Nuance is not a popular thing in the US in recent decades. The false dichotomy appears to be more than our collective favorite logical fallacy, but some people’s favorite avocation.
  - abustamam 1y ago
    I blame the media, as well as people. People's "news" have been reduced to headlines or 30 second clips on tiktok/insta. Of course they won't convey nuance. And of course content creators / news aggregators know this so they purposely strip all nuance out of their reporting.
    - nerdponx 1y ago
      Nuance is the enemy when you are trying to run a propaganda campaign and push an agenda. Blaming the American people is victim blaming.
johnnyanmac 1y ago
to be precise: >Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned. is against TOC. You can talk about trans issues and offer reservations. You cannot say "trans people are a mental illness" or "trans are not people". That is clearly promoting hate and has nothing of substance to discuss. For a more explicit and current example, you can say "I don't think female-affirming trans athletes should be allowed to compete in female oriented divisions of sport. Their testosterone output makes for an unfair advantadge". That might STILL be removed, not because that comment breaks the rules, but because reddit seems to have a serious problem on the issue and it always devolves to "we need to take men out of women's sports" and then some long chain of people denying trans people of their identity. That's promoting hate. Especially since that is not too far off from what the U.S. president argues.
- zahlman 1y ago
  > denying trans people of their identity. That's promoting hate. To be clear: your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? That's likely the crux of our disagreement in the other subthread, then. Either that or you imagine that "denying identity" refers to something else, but I've only ever seen it used in cases that boil down to that. This often gets described as "denying existence", which from my observations conservatives just think is absurd. The entire point is that "identity" refers to self-image, while "existence" refers to what is externally observable.
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    >your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? Yes. That tends to fall under "hate speech": >public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation Denying existence or identity will fall under that curtain either way. That seems to be the interpretation Reddit uses, so your account or community will be banned for breaking its rules, regardless of your interpretation. Both dehumanize, and dehumanization is a one way ticket to denying someone as worthy of the rights humans enjoy.

alittlebee 1y ago

As a trans person, I find it interesting that so many people have opinions on an illness that truly sucks. It’s rough reading every day that you are “wrong” about something you suffer from. I wish folks could see the losses we experience when we transition. I think if they did, they might extend a little more grace and compassion. (That said, I do agree with you on nuance)

cestith 1y ago
Nuance is not a popular thing in the US in recent decades. The false dichotomy appears to be more than our collective favorite logical fallacy, but some people’s favorite avocation.
- abustamam 1y ago
  I blame the media, as well as people. People's "news" have been reduced to headlines or 30 second clips on tiktok/insta. Of course they won't convey nuance. And of course content creators / news aggregators know this so they purposely strip all nuance out of their reporting.
  - nerdponx 1y ago
    Nuance is the enemy when you are trying to run a propaganda campaign and push an agenda. Blaming the American people is victim blaming.

johnnyanmac 1y ago

to be precise: >Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned. is against TOC. You can talk about trans issues and offer reservations. You cannot say "trans people are a mental illness" or "trans are not people". That is clearly promoting hate and has nothing of substance to discuss. For a more explicit and current example, you can say "I don't think female-affirming trans athletes should be allowed to compete in female oriented divisions of sport. Their testosterone output makes for an unfair advantadge". That might STILL be removed, not because that comment breaks the rules, but because reddit seems to have a serious problem on the issue and it always devolves to "we need to take men out of women's sports" and then some long chain of people denying trans people of their identity. That's promoting hate. Especially since that is not too far off from what the U.S. president argues.

zahlman 1y ago
> denying trans people of their identity. That's promoting hate. To be clear: your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? That's likely the crux of our disagreement in the other subthread, then. Either that or you imagine that "denying identity" refers to something else, but I've only ever seen it used in cases that boil down to that. This often gets described as "denying existence", which from my observations conservatives just think is absurd. The entire point is that "identity" refers to self-image, while "existence" refers to what is externally observable.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  >your position is that refusing to see other people as they see themselves, in one specific aspect, is inherently hateful? Yes. That tends to fall under "hate speech": >public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation Denying existence or identity will fall under that curtain either way. That seems to be the interpretation Reddit uses, so your account or community will be banned for breaking its rules, regardless of your interpretation. Both dehumanize, and dehumanization is a one way ticket to denying someone as worthy of the rights humans enjoy.