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> You left out the fact that you can’t post to /r/conservative until the moderators there audit your post history and perform an interview with you to confirm y

> You left out the fact that you can’t post to /r/conservative until the moderators there audit your post history and perform an interview with you to confirm your ideology matches theirs. > If someone does pass the test they’re allowed to comment. If they make a comment that disagrees with the message the moderators want to push, their commenting privilege is revoked. Be that as it may, i dont see how the solution to /r/conservative being a weird echo chamber, is for other subs to be an anti-/r/conservative echochamber. Seems like both are wrong, and two wrongs dont make a right.

noir_lord 1y ago
I don't see an issue with it, if you are willing to put in the effort to swim in the cesspool that is /r/conservative you don't get to complain when other people find the smell objectionable.
- mlrtime 1y ago
  if /r/conservative is a sespool, what is /r/politics? You're just pointing out your bias.
  - noir_lord 1y ago
    Oh I’m definitely biased, I’m not a huge fan of quasi-fascist morons hiding behind a thin veneer of legitimacy while breaking the law, electing a sex offender, destroying every relationship with their foreign allies and engaging in hilariously blatant corruption. Nor am I fan of their voters/supporters. At this point if you don’t oppose them you implicitly support them, the normal rules no longer apply.
    - inemesitaffia 1y ago
      Like Taylor Swift apparently. Your newest fascist.
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      >At this point if you don’t oppose them you implicitly support them, the normal rules no longer apply. ^ The average far-left in a nutshell. You are either with us, or against us. There is no centralist.
      - marcuskane2 1y ago
        Or perhaps, that is the centralist position. To take an apolitical comparison, think about an ordinary crime- a murder, a rape, an arson, etc. There is some set of people saying "We know that this man murdered these victims. We think that is very bad. We think the murderer should go to prison so that he doesn't murder more people". Does a neutral centralist say "Yes, the murderer should go to prison" or do they say "I'm remaining central, I don't want to join the side that is condemning the murderer. I think they hate the murderer. I think the murderer should remain free." My belief is that a neutral centralist agrees to send the murderer to prison. And if someone supports letting the murderer carry on murdering people, then they can reasonably be said to be supporting the murderer rather than claiming to be a centralist on the murder issue.
      - sillyfluke 1y ago
        Your position is as silly as you view the parent's. It's natural for anyone who thinks there are active crimes being committed to not engage in "compromise" until the other side agrees that they are crimes. For example, I don't think it would be logical for someone who literally believes abortion is murder to bother allying with a side that doesn't believe as such unless there is a bigger crime that is being commited that they both can agree on. See, both sides would agree that that compromising with someone condoning murder for the sake of centrism would be fucking stupid. Obviously no side thinks they're condoning murder, they simplly don't agree that the action constitutes murder. So instead of pointlessly championing centrism for the sake of centrism, it's much more constructive to argue: no, they are not a sex offender, no they are not directly engaging or aiding and abetting corruption, no those foreign allies are not worthy allies because of xyz etc etc.
      - LexiMax 1y ago
        What a weird time to find out that most of my centrist and conservative friends are actually far left because they mostly agree with such an assessment. Then again, I suppose definitions can differ. Maybe you have a set of principles and boundaries. Maybe you're just rooting for or against a sports team.
    - aswfaswf 1y ago
      Found the reddit mod. :)
vkou 1y ago
Parent poster isn't saying that r/conservative should be banned for that behavior. Since that sub's arbitrary ban behavior is allowed, other subs banning people for similarly arbitrary reasons (like people who have been vetted by its mod circle into being allowed to post there) should be permitted.
- bawolff 1y ago
  They say "It’s not a real subreddit". I think its reasonable to conclude that they at the very least disapprove of that behaviour To more precisely respond: "A eye for an eye leaves the world blind"
  - vkou 1y ago
    Someone disapproving of things isn't grounds for comparing it to a cycle of vengeance that leaves everyone blind. If you think there's a better set of global rules that reddit should adopt, that's a fair observation. But until it does, it's not fair to call out other subs for mirroring the rules of a problem sub. If it can behave that way, so can they. If it can exist as a safe space for MAGAs, the rest of us are free to create a safe space from MAGAs.
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      Do you think all of /r/conservative is maga, what's your definition? Should reddit just be a place only for liberal politics?
      - vkou 1y ago
        > Should reddit just be a place only for liberal politics? I should be eating off golden plates and live in a house made of candy, and I shouldn't have to worry about the president's goon squad invading 'liberal antifa cities', or any of the other insane shit that's going on, but life isn't quite living up to my expectations at the moment. Perhaps when they open up their safe spaces and behave in a civil manner, other communities might take their demands for access more seriously. All-in-all, if your biggest political concern right now is that you've been banned from a few subreddits because you're a participant in another one, I'm sorry that it's causing you distress. But I'm afraid that your problems aren't ranking very highly on my list of immediate political concerns. When the ship's on fire, I frankly don't care about the poor feng shui of the deck chairs.
jwatte 1y ago
Huh? It sounds to me like this is arguing one should be OK with /r/conservative doing it (and joining up, even) but then not OK that other subs do it, too. That doesn't really pass the sniff test, so maybe I'm missing something.
- bawolff 1y ago
  I'm more trying to say, if you find it wrong that r/conservative does it, then you shouldn't do it yourself. Other people's bad behaviour should not be a justification for you own. When it comes to morality, we can't control how other people act, we can only control what we ourselves do. Especially when the "retaliation" is aimed at members and not the people implementing the mod policy.

noir_lord 1y ago

I don't see an issue with it, if you are willing to put in the effort to swim in the cesspool that is /r/conservative you don't get to complain when other people find the smell objectionable.

mlrtime 1y ago
if /r/conservative is a sespool, what is /r/politics? You're just pointing out your bias.
- noir_lord 1y ago
  Oh I’m definitely biased, I’m not a huge fan of quasi-fascist morons hiding behind a thin veneer of legitimacy while breaking the law, electing a sex offender, destroying every relationship with their foreign allies and engaging in hilariously blatant corruption. Nor am I fan of their voters/supporters. At this point if you don’t oppose them you implicitly support them, the normal rules no longer apply.
  - inemesitaffia 1y ago
    Like Taylor Swift apparently. Your newest fascist.
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    >At this point if you don’t oppose them you implicitly support them, the normal rules no longer apply. ^ The average far-left in a nutshell. You are either with us, or against us. There is no centralist.
    - marcuskane2 1y ago
      Or perhaps, that is the centralist position. To take an apolitical comparison, think about an ordinary crime- a murder, a rape, an arson, etc. There is some set of people saying "We know that this man murdered these victims. We think that is very bad. We think the murderer should go to prison so that he doesn't murder more people". Does a neutral centralist say "Yes, the murderer should go to prison" or do they say "I'm remaining central, I don't want to join the side that is condemning the murderer. I think they hate the murderer. I think the murderer should remain free." My belief is that a neutral centralist agrees to send the murderer to prison. And if someone supports letting the murderer carry on murdering people, then they can reasonably be said to be supporting the murderer rather than claiming to be a centralist on the murder issue.
    - sillyfluke 1y ago
      Your position is as silly as you view the parent's. It's natural for anyone who thinks there are active crimes being committed to not engage in "compromise" until the other side agrees that they are crimes. For example, I don't think it would be logical for someone who literally believes abortion is murder to bother allying with a side that doesn't believe as such unless there is a bigger crime that is being commited that they both can agree on. See, both sides would agree that that compromising with someone condoning murder for the sake of centrism would be fucking stupid. Obviously no side thinks they're condoning murder, they simplly don't agree that the action constitutes murder. So instead of pointlessly championing centrism for the sake of centrism, it's much more constructive to argue: no, they are not a sex offender, no they are not directly engaging or aiding and abetting corruption, no those foreign allies are not worthy allies because of xyz etc etc.
    - LexiMax 1y ago
      What a weird time to find out that most of my centrist and conservative friends are actually far left because they mostly agree with such an assessment. Then again, I suppose definitions can differ. Maybe you have a set of principles and boundaries. Maybe you're just rooting for or against a sports team.
  - aswfaswf 1y ago
    Found the reddit mod. :)

vkou 1y ago

Parent poster isn't saying that r/conservative should be banned for that behavior. Since that sub's arbitrary ban behavior is allowed, other subs banning people for similarly arbitrary reasons (like people who have been vetted by its mod circle into being allowed to post there) should be permitted.

bawolff 1y ago
They say "It’s not a real subreddit". I think its reasonable to conclude that they at the very least disapprove of that behaviour To more precisely respond: "A eye for an eye leaves the world blind"
- vkou 1y ago
  Someone disapproving of things isn't grounds for comparing it to a cycle of vengeance that leaves everyone blind. If you think there's a better set of global rules that reddit should adopt, that's a fair observation. But until it does, it's not fair to call out other subs for mirroring the rules of a problem sub. If it can behave that way, so can they. If it can exist as a safe space for MAGAs, the rest of us are free to create a safe space from MAGAs.
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    Do you think all of /r/conservative is maga, what's your definition? Should reddit just be a place only for liberal politics?
    - vkou 1y ago
      > Should reddit just be a place only for liberal politics? I should be eating off golden plates and live in a house made of candy, and I shouldn't have to worry about the president's goon squad invading 'liberal antifa cities', or any of the other insane shit that's going on, but life isn't quite living up to my expectations at the moment. Perhaps when they open up their safe spaces and behave in a civil manner, other communities might take their demands for access more seriously. All-in-all, if your biggest political concern right now is that you've been banned from a few subreddits because you're a participant in another one, I'm sorry that it's causing you distress. But I'm afraid that your problems aren't ranking very highly on my list of immediate political concerns. When the ship's on fire, I frankly don't care about the poor feng shui of the deck chairs.

jwatte 1y ago

Huh? It sounds to me like this is arguing one should be OK with /r/conservative doing it (and joining up, even) but then not OK that other subs do it, too. That doesn't really pass the sniff test, so maybe I'm missing something.

bawolff 1y ago
I'm more trying to say, if you find it wrong that r/conservative does it, then you shouldn't do it yourself. Other people's bad behaviour should not be a justification for you own. When it comes to morality, we can't control how other people act, we can only control what we ourselves do. Especially when the "retaliation" is aimed at members and not the people implementing the mod policy.