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thanks for the tip. The text is not on that page, but here's a link to it if anyone else is curious: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xht

by crummy 1y ago

thanks for the tip. The text is not on that page, but here's a link to it if anyone else is curious: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1264#:~:text=104661.%C2%A0(a)%C2%A0(1)%C2%A0For%20purposes%20of%20this%20article https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...

frereubu 1y ago
Duh, thanks - forgot I'd found that on the page with the actual bill!
camel-cdr 1y ago
> 104661. (a) (1) For purposes of this article, except as provided in subdivision (b), “ultraprocessed food” or “UPF” means any food or beverage that contains a substance described in paragraph (2) and either high amounts of saturated fat, sodium, or added sugar, as described in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (3), or a nonnutritive sweetener or other substance described in subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3). > (3) (A) High amounts of saturated fat, sodium, or added sugar, as defined respectively as follows: > (i) The food or beverage contains 10 percent or greater of total energy from saturated fat I feel like the saturated fat limit would be the most impactful restrictions. However right after it's entirely opened up again: > (b) “Ultraprocessed food” or “UPF” does not include any of the following: > (1) Commodity food specifically made available by the United States Department of Agriculture. > (2) A raw agricultural commodity as defined in Section 110020. > (3) An unprocessed locally grown or locally raised agricultural product as defined in paragraph
- maxerickson 1y ago
  Avocado calories are pretty close to 10% saturated fat, as an example. Excess sugar and simple starches tend to get absorbed more completely than excess fat, I'm not sure added fat is the biggest issue.
  - donatzsky 1y ago
    Look into the keto diet. Fat is definitely not the main issue, sugar and other simple carbs are.
    - IAmBroom 1y ago
      Your conclusion presupposes we buy into the "keto diet is healthy" proposition. However, there is a preponderance of real data that fats have been demonized by the sugar industry in the past, and HGI foods (high-carb, generally) are a bigger issue.
  - pragma_x 1y ago
    Yeah, this reads like popular health guidance left over from the 1980's. Back then we though that "fat makes you fat" and shifted to sweeteners to make food taste good. Later, we found out that was all due to the sugar industry. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074...
    - port11 1y ago
      Indeed, lots of anti-fat researched was sponsored by sugary drink companies. But the jury is still against too much saturated fat, since the lymphatic system doesn't handle it in the healthiest of ways. So limiting saturated fats is still the WHO recommendation.
  - port11 1y ago
    Avocados are excluded by the points further down, they're raw/unprocessed.
    - maxerickson 1y ago
      I was responding to the other poster saying that the rules were entirely opened up by the exceptions. Other than meat, it's a freak ingredient like avocado or maybe some nuts that has that much fat.
- TiredOfLife 1y ago
  So no pasta carbonara or Jam
  - IAmBroom 1y ago
    I'm OK with kids not being fed a pile of jam. If it's spread on bread, the jellied bread is the food. (As that still is probably mostly carbs, it's still not a good lunch item for kids.)
- Lerc 1y ago
  so is that “ultraprocessed food” or “UPF” means (any food or beverage that contains a substance described in paragraph (2) and either high amounts of saturated fat, sodium, or added sugar, as described in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (3), or a nonnutritive sweetener or other substance described in subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3)). or “ultraprocessed food” or “UPF” means (any food or beverage that contains a substance described in paragraph (2) and either high amounts of saturated fat, sodium, or added sugar, as described in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (3)), or a nonnutritive sweetener or other substance described in subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3). or “ultraprocessed food” or “UPF” means (any food or beverage that contains a substance described in paragraph (2)) and either high amounts of saturated fat, sodium, or added sugar, as described in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (3), or a nonnutritive sweetener or other substance described in subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3).
- baq 1y ago
  > (3) Not more than 35 percent of its total weight shall be composed of sugar, including naturally occurring and added sugar. This paragraph shall not apply to fruits, vegetables that have not been deep fried, or a dried fruit and nut and seed combination. wonder who'll be the first to argue that HFCS isn't sugar.
  - sharken 1y ago
    Take your pick, could be either one of: Coca Cola, PepsiCo, Red Bull, Ferrero, Kellogg, Kraft Heinz just to name a few. That aside, I think the law is a great step in the right direction for the US. Hopefully it can be expanded across the US.
  - port11 1y ago
    Unless HCFS is magically not composed of sucrose/fructose, which are sugars, what arguments can they raise?
- twoodfin 1y ago
  I don’t think kids should be having boutique, hand-crafted “bean to bar” chocolate in their school lunches, but I also don’t think most Californians have products like that in mind when they think of “Ultra-Processed Foods”. Also as quoted elsewhere: Deep frying is ultra-processing?
  - UncleMeat 1y ago
    Yeah the whole "ultra processed food" angle is meaningless. Just call it junk food. If the thing that is bad for us is the processing and preservatives then we can pursue that... but if you want to count things like potato chips then we need to be honest about what the label actually means. The UPF label adds a veneer of scientific precision that isn't actually present in any guidelines surrounding it.
    - lithocarpus 1y ago
      The problem with potato chips is not potatoes and may not even be the fact that the potatoes are fried. It's that they are fried in toxic ultra processed industrial oil which makes up 50-60% of the calories (more than the actual potato).
      - UncleMeat 1y ago
        "If only we fried potatoes in olive oil or beef tallow they'd be healthy" is not something I would expect most nutritionists would say is supported by the research. The seed oil panic is even more ridiculous than the UPF panic.
        lithocarpus 1y ago
        I'm open to being wrong but if it's not the oil or the frying, what is it that makes potato chips junk food?
        UncleMeat 1y ago
        Woah woah woah. Potato chips are junk food. The important thing is that they aren't ultra-processed in a meaningful sense. What people want to mean when they say "ultra-processed" is actually "junk food." This is why people end up bending over backwards to find a reason to label ice cream and potato chips as "ultra-processed" so it can be a cure-all solution when reality isn't so simple.
- lithocarpus 1y ago
  Ha! Brilliant sleight of hand by the processed food industry. Of the fats one can eat, saturated fat is generally the least processed and most natural. Humanity has eaten saturated fat for ever. Refined/processed oils are a completely new thing that has become a staple of the modern industrial diet. Under this law kids will be made to eat more of the ultra processed literally refined oils and less natural fat.

by crummy 1y ago

frereubu 1y ago

Duh, thanks - forgot I'd found that on the page with the actual bill!

camel-cdr 1y ago

> 104661. (a) (1) For purposes of this article, except as provided in subdivision (b), “ultraprocessed food” or “UPF” means any food or beverage that contains a substance described in paragraph (2) and either high amounts of saturated fat, sodium, or added sugar, as described in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (3), or a nonnutritive sweetener or other substance described in subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3). > (3) (A) High amounts of saturated fat, sodium, or added sugar, as defined respectively as follows: > (i) The food or beverage contains 10 percent or greater of total energy from saturated fat I feel like the saturated fat limit would be the most impactful restrictions. However right after it's entirely opened up again: > (b) “Ultraprocessed food” or “UPF” does not include any of the following: > (1) Commodity food specifically made available by the United States Department of Agriculture. > (2) A raw agricultural commodity as defined in Section 110020. > (3) An unprocessed locally grown or locally raised agricultural product as defined in paragraph

maxerickson 1y ago
Avocado calories are pretty close to 10% saturated fat, as an example. Excess sugar and simple starches tend to get absorbed more completely than excess fat, I'm not sure added fat is the biggest issue.
- donatzsky 1y ago
  Look into the keto diet. Fat is definitely not the main issue, sugar and other simple carbs are.
  - IAmBroom 1y ago
    Your conclusion presupposes we buy into the "keto diet is healthy" proposition. However, there is a preponderance of real data that fats have been demonized by the sugar industry in the past, and HGI foods (high-carb, generally) are a bigger issue.
- pragma_x 1y ago
  Yeah, this reads like popular health guidance left over from the 1980's. Back then we though that "fat makes you fat" and shifted to sweeteners to make food taste good. Later, we found out that was all due to the sugar industry. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074...
  - port11 1y ago
    Indeed, lots of anti-fat researched was sponsored by sugary drink companies. But the jury is still against too much saturated fat, since the lymphatic system doesn't handle it in the healthiest of ways. So limiting saturated fats is still the WHO recommendation.
- port11 1y ago
  Avocados are excluded by the points further down, they're raw/unprocessed.
  - maxerickson 1y ago
    I was responding to the other poster saying that the rules were entirely opened up by the exceptions. Other than meat, it's a freak ingredient like avocado or maybe some nuts that has that much fat.
TiredOfLife 1y ago
So no pasta carbonara or Jam
- IAmBroom 1y ago
  I'm OK with kids not being fed a pile of jam. If it's spread on bread, the jellied bread is the food. (As that still is probably mostly carbs, it's still not a good lunch item for kids.)
Lerc 1y ago
so is that “ultraprocessed food” or “UPF” means (any food or beverage that contains a substance described in paragraph (2) and either high amounts of saturated fat, sodium, or added sugar, as described in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (3), or a nonnutritive sweetener or other substance described in subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3)). or “ultraprocessed food” or “UPF” means (any food or beverage that contains a substance described in paragraph (2) and either high amounts of saturated fat, sodium, or added sugar, as described in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (3)), or a nonnutritive sweetener or other substance described in subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3). or “ultraprocessed food” or “UPF” means (any food or beverage that contains a substance described in paragraph (2)) and either high amounts of saturated fat, sodium, or added sugar, as described in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (3), or a nonnutritive sweetener or other substance described in subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3).
baq 1y ago
> (3) Not more than 35 percent of its total weight shall be composed of sugar, including naturally occurring and added sugar. This paragraph shall not apply to fruits, vegetables that have not been deep fried, or a dried fruit and nut and seed combination. wonder who'll be the first to argue that HFCS isn't sugar.
- sharken 1y ago
  Take your pick, could be either one of: Coca Cola, PepsiCo, Red Bull, Ferrero, Kellogg, Kraft Heinz just to name a few. That aside, I think the law is a great step in the right direction for the US. Hopefully it can be expanded across the US.
- port11 1y ago
  Unless HCFS is magically not composed of sucrose/fructose, which are sugars, what arguments can they raise?
twoodfin 1y ago
I don’t think kids should be having boutique, hand-crafted “bean to bar” chocolate in their school lunches, but I also don’t think most Californians have products like that in mind when they think of “Ultra-Processed Foods”. Also as quoted elsewhere: Deep frying is ultra-processing?
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  Yeah the whole "ultra processed food" angle is meaningless. Just call it junk food. If the thing that is bad for us is the processing and preservatives then we can pursue that... but if you want to count things like potato chips then we need to be honest about what the label actually means. The UPF label adds a veneer of scientific precision that isn't actually present in any guidelines surrounding it.
  - lithocarpus 1y ago
    The problem with potato chips is not potatoes and may not even be the fact that the potatoes are fried. It's that they are fried in toxic ultra processed industrial oil which makes up 50-60% of the calories (more than the actual potato).
    - UncleMeat 1y ago
      "If only we fried potatoes in olive oil or beef tallow they'd be healthy" is not something I would expect most nutritionists would say is supported by the research. The seed oil panic is even more ridiculous than the UPF panic.
      - lithocarpus 1y ago
        I'm open to being wrong but if it's not the oil or the frying, what is it that makes potato chips junk food?
        UncleMeat 1y ago
        Woah woah woah. Potato chips are junk food. The important thing is that they aren't ultra-processed in a meaningful sense. What people want to mean when they say "ultra-processed" is actually "junk food." This is why people end up bending over backwards to find a reason to label ice cream and potato chips as "ultra-processed" so it can be a cure-all solution when reality isn't so simple.
lithocarpus 1y ago
Ha! Brilliant sleight of hand by the processed food industry. Of the fats one can eat, saturated fat is generally the least processed and most natural. Humanity has eaten saturated fat for ever. Refined/processed oils are a completely new thing that has become a staple of the modern industrial diet. Under this law kids will be made to eat more of the ultra processed literally refined oils and less natural fat.