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Confusingly one-sided post given the point it's seemingly trying to make.

LaurensBER 1y ago
Could you point out what exactly you find confusingly one-sided? Happy to update the list of examples if it enhances the quality of my post but when writing it I could only draw on personal experience.
- elktown 1y ago
  All your examples are hand-wavey and and follows a stereotypical right-wing grieviences pattern, while still somehow trying to discuss polarisation in a neutral manner. You also suggest in another comment in this thread that Twitter is somehow a better place, suggesting a pretty significant lack of nuance. I don't expect to see any, but I'd certainly be curious to see what posts that got you banned or admonished so I can form my own opinion on them.
  - LaurensBER 1y ago
    You seem to focus a lot on the examples that I provided (and my opinion of Twitter?) and not so much on the content of my comment or the general topic of the conversation. Could you motivate why this is relevant and what your counter point would be? I'm genuinely curious!
    - elktown 1y ago
      I'm just continuing the thread of conversation? And also because figuring out biases is basic critical thinking? Especially relevant in this kinda thread. Furthermore, I'm sick and tired of self-created right-wing narrative of censorship when they're ever so eager to do it to the fullest possible extent they can with their current powers and societal acceptance. And then we're not just talking about random people being mean to you on Twitter, but government power. All while leaning on a narrative of "We're just doing what you did before" that they've created themselves by endless repetition.
      - LaurensBER 1y ago
        I understand, and while I don't fully agree I do agree that having some insight into biases could be relevant since moderation choices are always subjective. I would prefer not to link my Reddit account to my HN account furthermore it's common for comments to be deleted at a ban so I'm unable to give you the exact comments but happy to provide insight into any (perceived) biased! I have voted D66 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_66 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_66) during the last elections, I'll let you do your own assessment of their standpoints. I understand your frustration about the (perceived) narrative of censorship. But I think we can agree that censorship of _viewpoints_ (no matter who it's coming from) is a bad thing. Unfortunately that seems to be rather rampant on Reddit and is the main point in my original post. As others have pointed out /r/conservative also seems to suffer from bad moderation so this seems more like an issue with Reddit than something coming from a particular political flank. Hope this answers your concerns!
        elktown 1y ago
        > I would prefer not to link my Reddit account to my HN account Understandable, no worries. > I have voted D66 [..] during the last elections I've been seeing sentiments like this before but I don't value them high because what matter is what people do and decide when things becomes hot and their professed principles need to be actually proven. As an anecdote, and yes, I know it's an extreme example, but it's interesting to me and brings the point home: When listening to an audio book (it's on Audible if interested, recommended!) a while back that compiles a bunch of interviews with defendants of the Nuremberg trials, a surprising amount of them suggested, paraphrasing; "I was actually a liberal before the war!" (and also a strange amount of teachers curiously!).
        LaurensBER 1y ago
        The audio book sounds interesting, could you share the title? I understand your point about deciding and acting when things become hot but shouldn't we place political vote(s) above comment(s) on social media? Realistically I would hope that the average voter in Europe does not encounter a "hot" situation where his or her morals will be tested as they were during the second world war. Yet what we vote for influences real world actions, what we say online might influence one or two opinions slightly.
- llm_nerd 1y ago
  >If you post on /r/conservative you can expect to receive a bunch of bans from unrelated (popular) subs. Doesn't matter what you posted, being associated with that subs "taints" your account enough for some moderators That's a pretty hilariously one-sided example, given /r/conservative is one of the most comically moderated subs on Reddit. Like, you were so close with that example, but no, it turns out it's all the other subs that are to blame. /r/conservative is just a renamed The_Donald. It has essentially nothing to do with conservatism, and anything even remotely critical of the dear leader, where critical can be just asking for clarification or correcting a wrong claim, leads to an immediate permanent ban. I actually thought it was performance art and was echoing the famous, and hilarious, North Korea sub. Turns out it's actually sincere. As to the rest of your list...yeah, I think we'd need to see examples. When people do the "they banned me just for {x}", they often conveniently leave out a lot of not {x} that actually led to the ban. People are remarkably biased in how they tell these tales.
  - user34283 1y ago
    That's a bit rich to say while complaining about the moderation in /r/conservative specifically. Per the subreddit description it is a place for conservatives to discuss "from a distinctly conservative point of view". I am getting the feeling that you may in fact not be a conservative. That's fine. You don't need to participate in /r/conservative any more than I need to participate in /r/progressive. It simply does not concern you, and your focus on how a subreddit for conservatives is moderated paints a better picture of why you may have been banned from there. The problem is default subreddits handing out permabans over political opinions.
    - llm_nerd 1y ago
      To repeat, as you seemed to miss it, the conservative subreddit has little to nothing to do with conservatism the political philosophy. It is an echo chamber for MAGA, and people get banned for actually conservative views if they don't service the agenda/image of Dear Leader. But ultimately I don't particularly care. I'm not a whiny little baby, and if people need to create such an echo chamber in the service of a child rapist, so be it. That is their prerogative, and all the more power to them. You hilariously replied as if I'm licking my wounds and stomping my feet demanded my voice in that sub, when all I was doing is pointing out that bringing up that extreme example of moderator overreach, but then not using it was a bit comedic. >The problem is default subreddits handing out permabans over political opinions. Sounds tough for you. I can see why you are getting banned. But, you know, any sub can ban people for their own policies, even just that they don't like the energy you bring to a sub. There is a bizarre subtext to your comment that is a sort of "/r/conservative is ours, stay away, but also we are entitled to our views in other subs...because, default or something". Pretty telling.

Could you point out what exactly you find confusingly one-sided? Happy to update the list of examples if it enhances the quality of my post but when writing it I could only draw on personal experience.

elktown 1y ago
All your examples are hand-wavey and and follows a stereotypical right-wing grieviences pattern, while still somehow trying to discuss polarisation in a neutral manner. You also suggest in another comment in this thread that Twitter is somehow a better place, suggesting a pretty significant lack of nuance. I don't expect to see any, but I'd certainly be curious to see what posts that got you banned or admonished so I can form my own opinion on them.
- LaurensBER 1y ago
  You seem to focus a lot on the examples that I provided (and my opinion of Twitter?) and not so much on the content of my comment or the general topic of the conversation. Could you motivate why this is relevant and what your counter point would be? I'm genuinely curious!
  - elktown 1y ago
    I'm just continuing the thread of conversation? And also because figuring out biases is basic critical thinking? Especially relevant in this kinda thread. Furthermore, I'm sick and tired of self-created right-wing narrative of censorship when they're ever so eager to do it to the fullest possible extent they can with their current powers and societal acceptance. And then we're not just talking about random people being mean to you on Twitter, but government power. All while leaning on a narrative of "We're just doing what you did before" that they've created themselves by endless repetition.
    - LaurensBER 1y ago
      I understand, and while I don't fully agree I do agree that having some insight into biases could be relevant since moderation choices are always subjective. I would prefer not to link my Reddit account to my HN account furthermore it's common for comments to be deleted at a ban so I'm unable to give you the exact comments but happy to provide insight into any (perceived) biased! I have voted D66 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_66 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_66) during the last elections, I'll let you do your own assessment of their standpoints. I understand your frustration about the (perceived) narrative of censorship. But I think we can agree that censorship of _viewpoints_ (no matter who it's coming from) is a bad thing. Unfortunately that seems to be rather rampant on Reddit and is the main point in my original post. As others have pointed out /r/conservative also seems to suffer from bad moderation so this seems more like an issue with Reddit than something coming from a particular political flank. Hope this answers your concerns!
      - elktown 1y ago
        > I would prefer not to link my Reddit account to my HN account Understandable, no worries. > I have voted D66 [..] during the last elections I've been seeing sentiments like this before but I don't value them high because what matter is what people do and decide when things becomes hot and their professed principles need to be actually proven. As an anecdote, and yes, I know it's an extreme example, but it's interesting to me and brings the point home: When listening to an audio book (it's on Audible if interested, recommended!) a while back that compiles a bunch of interviews with defendants of the Nuremberg trials, a surprising amount of them suggested, paraphrasing; "I was actually a liberal before the war!" (and also a strange amount of teachers curiously!).
        LaurensBER 1y ago
        The audio book sounds interesting, could you share the title? I understand your point about deciding and acting when things become hot but shouldn't we place political vote(s) above comment(s) on social media? Realistically I would hope that the average voter in Europe does not encounter a "hot" situation where his or her morals will be tested as they were during the second world war. Yet what we vote for influences real world actions, what we say online might influence one or two opinions slightly.
llm_nerd 1y ago
>If you post on /r/conservative you can expect to receive a bunch of bans from unrelated (popular) subs. Doesn't matter what you posted, being associated with that subs "taints" your account enough for some moderators That's a pretty hilariously one-sided example, given /r/conservative is one of the most comically moderated subs on Reddit. Like, you were so close with that example, but no, it turns out it's all the other subs that are to blame. /r/conservative is just a renamed The_Donald. It has essentially nothing to do with conservatism, and anything even remotely critical of the dear leader, where critical can be just asking for clarification or correcting a wrong claim, leads to an immediate permanent ban. I actually thought it was performance art and was echoing the famous, and hilarious, North Korea sub. Turns out it's actually sincere. As to the rest of your list...yeah, I think we'd need to see examples. When people do the "they banned me just for {x}", they often conveniently leave out a lot of not {x} that actually led to the ban. People are remarkably biased in how they tell these tales.
- user34283 1y ago
  That's a bit rich to say while complaining about the moderation in /r/conservative specifically. Per the subreddit description it is a place for conservatives to discuss "from a distinctly conservative point of view". I am getting the feeling that you may in fact not be a conservative. That's fine. You don't need to participate in /r/conservative any more than I need to participate in /r/progressive. It simply does not concern you, and your focus on how a subreddit for conservatives is moderated paints a better picture of why you may have been banned from there. The problem is default subreddits handing out permabans over political opinions.
  - llm_nerd 1y ago
    To repeat, as you seemed to miss it, the conservative subreddit has little to nothing to do with conservatism the political philosophy. It is an echo chamber for MAGA, and people get banned for actually conservative views if they don't service the agenda/image of Dear Leader. But ultimately I don't particularly care. I'm not a whiny little baby, and if people need to create such an echo chamber in the service of a child rapist, so be it. That is their prerogative, and all the more power to them. You hilariously replied as if I'm licking my wounds and stomping my feet demanded my voice in that sub, when all I was doing is pointing out that bringing up that extreme example of moderator overreach, but then not using it was a bit comedic. >The problem is default subreddits handing out permabans over political opinions. Sounds tough for you. I can see why you are getting banned. But, you know, any sub can ban people for their own policies, even just that they don't like the energy you bring to a sub. There is a bizarre subtext to your comment that is a sort of "/r/conservative is ours, stay away, but also we are entitled to our views in other subs...because, default or something". Pretty telling.