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WINE has basically become a gaming wrapper at this point. There are not many (modern) apps outside of games that run on WINE. However, games run great! Last I

WINE has basically become a gaming wrapper at this point. There are not many (modern) apps outside of games that run on WINE. However, games run great! Last I checked, Office 365 didn't work, Basically anything modern Adobe didn't work, even the latest version of Visual Studio (not VSCode) didn't work. Things may have changed, I just learned to live without that stuff.

heavyset_go 1y ago
A niche Wine does suit well is running audio plugins for music production. Wouldn't have believed it if I didn't first see and then use it myself. Think it's because JUCE is relatively well-supported on Wine and natively on Linux, there are hardly any dependencies outside of system libraries and a DSP library.
- camtarn 1y ago
  Yeah, it's pretty mind-blowing how well this works, even though the setup was a bit janky. Sadly, after moving my music production setup from Windows to Linux, I'm locked out of some of my expensive sample libraries because while the plugins run fine, the licensing programs do not. Very frustrating.
array_key_first 1y ago
That's because all those apps are purposefully hostile and actively do everything in their power to make sure they don't work without their authorization. Solution: don't use those apps and maybe people will learn. Eventually, apps and technologies like this die in our digital landscape. Rest in piece Flash, you will be missed. 3D max and Photoshop, you're next. Real solution (for now): just don't give these assholes money. If you need to run the software, fine, but at least have the decency to steal it.
- dangus 1y ago
  Let’s be real, this “real solution” is a teenager in the basement solution. I’m not going to steal commercial software that I use to produce my own commercial work. I happily pay Autodesk their stupid $600 a year because I get that much value out of the application and then some. This idea that they are purposefully hostile because they don’t want you to steal their commercial product, or they don’t support an operating system with 2% marketshare is ridiculous. I totally understand why they don’t support Linux. It’s my choice to use an incompatible system.
  - array_key_first 1y ago
    > happily pay Autodesk their stupid $600 a year because I get that much value out of the application and then some. Yes, you will, but big picture: eventually the software will die. Software isn't just a product, it's an extension of education and expression. Using paid-for commercial software is risky. What happens is young, aspiring professionals get taught that software, and then it's ripped from their hands because of the price. A lot of these young professionals give up or, more likely, switch to OS alternatives. And they make up the industry of the future. Eventually, the commercial product is pushed out because it can't keep up. But even if this doesn't happen, the product still dies. Because commercial software is ultimately held hostage. The BEST CASE scenario is you're eventually bled dry and squeezed. The common scenario is that the software disappears or isn't popular anymore, and you've lost hundreds of hours of skills. This even happens in dev spaces. If you chose COM+ for an application, you fucked up. You're stuck with it and it's painfully behind, well, everything. Or maybe you were seduced by how cool Oracle is. And it was... 20 years ago. Now, it's not a competitive database. But you're stuck paying for it. Had you just used MySQL or Postgres from the beginning, this wouldn't have happened. And then flash. Oh flash. Great technology, but it doesn't matter. The world moves on. If you chose flash for your website, you fucked up. And now 3D max. I give it 10 years. Blender is already ahead of it and all the professionals of tomorrow have jumped ship.
    - dangus 1y ago
      If a better open source alternative to Autodesk Fusion comes around I'll certainly use it. I'm not saying that I'm against OSS or getting better software for free. I'm just saying that there's a $820 billion global market of software that's obviously worth paying for, and I'm going to pay for software if it fits my budget and is the best choice for me. If all proprietary software that dared to charge a fee was destined to “die” this very forum wouldn’t exist. If you think companies like Oracle are going to die, go ahead and short their stock. Better start selling your S&P 500 and QQQ shares. Oracle has just about doubled in the last year. Good luck!
      - array_key_first 1y ago
Forgeties79 1y ago
> Basically anything modern Adobe didn't work Well that’s just Adobe badumtsssss
rpdillon 1y ago
Wine is great for running the old versions of stuff that weren't shackled to the cloud. Adobe and MS Office versions from ~2013 or so work great, and are more than enough of an escape hatch when native tools don't quite cut it. Agree that modern apps are hit and miss.

heavyset_go 1y ago

A niche Wine does suit well is running audio plugins for music production. Wouldn't have believed it if I didn't first see and then use it myself. Think it's because JUCE is relatively well-supported on Wine and natively on Linux, there are hardly any dependencies outside of system libraries and a DSP library.

camtarn 1y ago
Yeah, it's pretty mind-blowing how well this works, even though the setup was a bit janky. Sadly, after moving my music production setup from Windows to Linux, I'm locked out of some of my expensive sample libraries because while the plugins run fine, the licensing programs do not. Very frustrating.

array_key_first 1y ago

That's because all those apps are purposefully hostile and actively do everything in their power to make sure they don't work without their authorization. Solution: don't use those apps and maybe people will learn. Eventually, apps and technologies like this die in our digital landscape. Rest in piece Flash, you will be missed. 3D max and Photoshop, you're next. Real solution (for now): just don't give these assholes money. If you need to run the software, fine, but at least have the decency to steal it.

dangus 1y ago
Let’s be real, this “real solution” is a teenager in the basement solution. I’m not going to steal commercial software that I use to produce my own commercial work. I happily pay Autodesk their stupid $600 a year because I get that much value out of the application and then some. This idea that they are purposefully hostile because they don’t want you to steal their commercial product, or they don’t support an operating system with 2% marketshare is ridiculous. I totally understand why they don’t support Linux. It’s my choice to use an incompatible system.
- array_key_first 1y ago
  > happily pay Autodesk their stupid $600 a year because I get that much value out of the application and then some. Yes, you will, but big picture: eventually the software will die. Software isn't just a product, it's an extension of education and expression. Using paid-for commercial software is risky. What happens is young, aspiring professionals get taught that software, and then it's ripped from their hands because of the price. A lot of these young professionals give up or, more likely, switch to OS alternatives. And they make up the industry of the future. Eventually, the commercial product is pushed out because it can't keep up. But even if this doesn't happen, the product still dies. Because commercial software is ultimately held hostage. The BEST CASE scenario is you're eventually bled dry and squeezed. The common scenario is that the software disappears or isn't popular anymore, and you've lost hundreds of hours of skills. This even happens in dev spaces. If you chose COM+ for an application, you fucked up. You're stuck with it and it's painfully behind, well, everything. Or maybe you were seduced by how cool Oracle is. And it was... 20 years ago. Now, it's not a competitive database. But you're stuck paying for it. Had you just used MySQL or Postgres from the beginning, this wouldn't have happened. And then flash. Oh flash. Great technology, but it doesn't matter. The world moves on. If you chose flash for your website, you fucked up. And now 3D max. I give it 10 years. Blender is already ahead of it and all the professionals of tomorrow have jumped ship.
  - dangus 1y ago
    If a better open source alternative to Autodesk Fusion comes around I'll certainly use it. I'm not saying that I'm against OSS or getting better software for free. I'm just saying that there's a $820 billion global market of software that's obviously worth paying for, and I'm going to pay for software if it fits my budget and is the best choice for me. If all proprietary software that dared to charge a fee was destined to “die” this very forum wouldn’t exist. If you think companies like Oracle are going to die, go ahead and short their stock. Better start selling your S&P 500 and QQQ shares. Oracle has just about doubled in the last year. Good luck!
    - array_key_first 1y ago

Forgeties79 1y ago

> Basically anything modern Adobe didn't work Well that’s just Adobe badumtsssss

rpdillon 1y ago

Wine is great for running the old versions of stuff that weren't shackled to the cloud. Adobe and MS Office versions from ~2013 or so work great, and are more than enough of an escape hatch when native tools don't quite cut it. Agree that modern apps are hit and miss.