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Is this really surprising? Most women spend a considerable amount of time and effort to appear younger and most men do not. Especially when it comes to ceos, me

Is this really surprising? Most women spend a considerable amount of time and effort to appear younger and most men do not. Especially when it comes to ceos, men even getting hairline surgery can be a subject of ridicule while woman with the means can surgically change their entire face.

lm28469 1y ago
> men even getting hairline surgery can be a subject of ridicule while woman with the means can surgically change their entire face. Men with means and receding hairlines 100% get hair transplants, even middle class baldies do so
- bravetraveler 1y ago
  > Men with means and receding hairlines 100% get hair transplants, even middle class baldies do so Not that I'm looking to make the case, but I believe they agreed. They were saying ridicule is included for free, perhaps crediting it with too much impact on choice. I'd say similar care for the ladies has another standard, because, well, there is. It's practically expected. Real mystery. Practical example: a bald man worries about the shape of his head and some jokes. Conversely, a bald woman worries about her life/exclusion. Anyway, I've rocked 'The Costanza' since I was a wee child. Can't be bothered to go any further [with the trimmer or plane to Türkiye] :)
  - rsynnott 1y ago
    > I'd say similar care for the ladies has another standard, because, well, there is. It's practically expected. Plastic surgery is absolutely not _expected_. About 15 million aesthetic plastic surgeries are performed worldwide per year. That's about one in 500 people, but in reality most people who have one procedure have multiple, so it is likely even rarer than that.
    - bravetraveler 1y ago
      > Plastic surgery is absolutely not _expected_. You mistake my point and overlooked 'practically'. It's not about cosmetic surgery or any particular action; commenting on the lengths or expectations based on gender. To be clear: I generally don't subscribe to these norms, failing to meet them myself. Regardless, let's force the issue a bit. Consider a gruesome accident. While I'm not willing to research it, I feel comfortable saying there would be more social pressure towards cosmetic surgery for women. At risk of another pointless debate, another example: a man can commonly, without worry or second thought, throw on a wrinkled shirt; a woman worries about repeating outfits.
      - rsynnott 1y ago
        ... Do you _know_ many women, or are you basing this on depictions of women on TV? No, most women do not worry about repeating outfits.
        bravetraveler 1y ago
        Thanks for taking the bait
nadis 1y ago
> Most women spend a considerable amount of time and effort to appear younger and most men do not. What are you grounding this claim in? Research? You own observations? It seems like you're adding to the original claims in the article but I'm not sure where you're getting your data or if this is just your opinion. Anecdotally, I feel like there are quite a few male ceos who are loud and proud about their attempts to appear younger and beat aging (e.g. Bryan Johnson and all his followers, Andrew Huberman and folks following his protocols). I don't see the same for women (unless you're including folks like a Kylie Jenner etc. who are celebrities who got famous in part because of their looks / makeup taste etc.).
- blackbear_ 1y ago
  I would have expected this to be exceedingly obvious to anybody who ever went to a shopping center, but anyways... > The Global Anti-Aging Products Market size is [worth] USD 47.4 Billion in 2023 > Women Dominate Anti-Aging Products Market with Over 80% Share in 2022 https://market.us/report/anti-aging-products-market/ https://market.us/report/anti-aging-products-market/
  - nadis 1y ago
    Thanks for the citation. From the report you shared: > "On the other hand, the Men segment, while smaller in comparison, is steadily gaining momentum. The growth in this segment is fueled by a rising awareness among men about skincare, supported by increasing marketing campaigns and product innovations tailored to men’s skin types. This segment is expected to expand as societal attitudes shift, and men increasingly prioritize grooming and skincare routines aimed at maintaining a youthful appearance." I think is a more data-driven explanation of what I've observed, although you're right that women are the majority of anti-aging product consumers as defined by this report (seems like mostly skincare and cosmetics, makes sense).
  - rsynnott 1y ago
    > The Global Anti-Aging Products Market size is [worth] USD 47.4 Billion in 2023 That would work out to the average woman spending about $9 on it a year. So one might still question the 'most women' claim, unless these products are considerably cheaper than I'm imagining :) I strongly suspect that the real story is "a small minority of women and an even smaller minority of men spend quite a lot on these things, the remainder of the population doesn't use them at all."
rsynnott 1y ago
> while woman with the means can surgically change their entire face And, er, be ridiculed for it, too. Plastic surgery is widely seen as ridiculous, no matter the gender; see all the jokes about Cher, for instance.

lm28469 1y ago

> men even getting hairline surgery can be a subject of ridicule while woman with the means can surgically change their entire face. Men with means and receding hairlines 100% get hair transplants, even middle class baldies do so

bravetraveler 1y ago
> Men with means and receding hairlines 100% get hair transplants, even middle class baldies do so Not that I'm looking to make the case, but I believe they agreed. They were saying ridicule is included for free, perhaps crediting it with too much impact on choice. I'd say similar care for the ladies has another standard, because, well, there is. It's practically expected. Real mystery. Practical example: a bald man worries about the shape of his head and some jokes. Conversely, a bald woman worries about her life/exclusion. Anyway, I've rocked 'The Costanza' since I was a wee child. Can't be bothered to go any further [with the trimmer or plane to Türkiye] :)
- rsynnott 1y ago
  > I'd say similar care for the ladies has another standard, because, well, there is. It's practically expected. Plastic surgery is absolutely not _expected_. About 15 million aesthetic plastic surgeries are performed worldwide per year. That's about one in 500 people, but in reality most people who have one procedure have multiple, so it is likely even rarer than that.
  - bravetraveler 1y ago
    > Plastic surgery is absolutely not _expected_. You mistake my point and overlooked 'practically'. It's not about cosmetic surgery or any particular action; commenting on the lengths or expectations based on gender. To be clear: I generally don't subscribe to these norms, failing to meet them myself. Regardless, let's force the issue a bit. Consider a gruesome accident. While I'm not willing to research it, I feel comfortable saying there would be more social pressure towards cosmetic surgery for women. At risk of another pointless debate, another example: a man can commonly, without worry or second thought, throw on a wrinkled shirt; a woman worries about repeating outfits.
    - rsynnott 1y ago
      ... Do you _know_ many women, or are you basing this on depictions of women on TV? No, most women do not worry about repeating outfits.
      - bravetraveler 1y ago
        Thanks for taking the bait

nadis 1y ago

> Most women spend a considerable amount of time and effort to appear younger and most men do not. What are you grounding this claim in? Research? You own observations? It seems like you're adding to the original claims in the article but I'm not sure where you're getting your data or if this is just your opinion. Anecdotally, I feel like there are quite a few male ceos who are loud and proud about their attempts to appear younger and beat aging (e.g. Bryan Johnson and all his followers, Andrew Huberman and folks following his protocols). I don't see the same for women (unless you're including folks like a Kylie Jenner etc. who are celebrities who got famous in part because of their looks / makeup taste etc.).

blackbear_ 1y ago
I would have expected this to be exceedingly obvious to anybody who ever went to a shopping center, but anyways... > The Global Anti-Aging Products Market size is [worth] USD 47.4 Billion in 2023 > Women Dominate Anti-Aging Products Market with Over 80% Share in 2022 https://market.us/report/anti-aging-products-market/ https://market.us/report/anti-aging-products-market/
- nadis 1y ago
  Thanks for the citation. From the report you shared: > "On the other hand, the Men segment, while smaller in comparison, is steadily gaining momentum. The growth in this segment is fueled by a rising awareness among men about skincare, supported by increasing marketing campaigns and product innovations tailored to men’s skin types. This segment is expected to expand as societal attitudes shift, and men increasingly prioritize grooming and skincare routines aimed at maintaining a youthful appearance." I think is a more data-driven explanation of what I've observed, although you're right that women are the majority of anti-aging product consumers as defined by this report (seems like mostly skincare and cosmetics, makes sense).
- rsynnott 1y ago
  > The Global Anti-Aging Products Market size is [worth] USD 47.4 Billion in 2023 That would work out to the average woman spending about $9 on it a year. So one might still question the 'most women' claim, unless these products are considerably cheaper than I'm imagining :) I strongly suspect that the real story is "a small minority of women and an even smaller minority of men spend quite a lot on these things, the remainder of the population doesn't use them at all."

rsynnott 1y ago

> while woman with the means can surgically change their entire face And, er, be ridiculed for it, too. Plastic surgery is widely seen as ridiculous, no matter the gender; see all the jokes about Cher, for instance.