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ICE has extremely little power to punish people who are citizens of the united states, something not true of the TSA. If the federal government consolidates pow

ICE has extremely little power to punish people who are citizens of the united states, something not true of the TSA. If the federal government consolidates power in ICE and private contractors for ICE, then this is likely marginally better for US citizens than the status quo.

burkaman 1y ago
They have immense power to punish anyone they feel like, and they can and do detain and deport US citizens. They don't give a shit that it's illegal, they're doing it anyway and they won't stop until they are removed from power. They have and will continue to ignore any court orders telling them to stop. Here's a good overview, please take a look at the sources if you don't trust Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_A...
- pandaman 1y ago
  They don't deport American citizens even if wiki editors are hoping a low IQ reader won't check references and just read the title. The cases they mention are illegal parents taking their technically American citizen children with them. If you want to blame someone for "deporting citizens" then blame the illegals.
  - burkaman 1y ago
    Thanks for taking a look, please let me know your justification for the Miguel Silvestre case as well.
    - pandaman 1y ago
      The one who was first deported in 1999? From what a quick search shows - most likely not a citizen.
delecti 1y ago
ICE doesn't have legal authority to punish people. Despite that, they are actively doing it all over the country at this very moment. At least if a TSA agent got a bug up his ass and decided to fuck up your day, you'd probably still walk out of the airport unencumbered by handcuffs. ICE might just black bag you and ship you out of the country.
wat10000 1y ago
They have the power to kidnap citizens off the street and ship them to a third-world prison without telling anyone. That is worse.
wahern 1y ago
> ICE has extremely little power to punish people who are citizens of the united states Tell that to yourself while in a holding cell for 24 hours waiting for your ID to be "verified". Police have long used temporary detention to intimidate and spite people, but at least there had to be reasonable suspicion to make an arrest in the first place, and theoretically victims have resort to a civil rights tort claim. But a recent SCOTUS emergency docket decision has effectively given ICE a pass to arrest people on a whim.[1] And it's much more difficult to press civil rights claims against Federal agents; in fact, it may even be impossible to sue ICE agents for false arrests, no matter how egregious.[2] [1] See the Noem v. Vasquez Perdomo stay at https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a169_5h25.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a169_5h25.pdf. Note that in his concurrence Kavanaugh wantonly mischaracterizes the district court order, then in passing dicta lazily tries to cover his ass by suggesting the rule he just rejected is actually the existing rule. One can only hope the other justices in the majority had different rationales for their decision, and weren't as confused or malicious as Kavanaugh. Sotomayor's dissent is at page 11 (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a169_5h25.pdf#page=11 https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a169_5h25.pdf#...) [2] See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egbert_v._Boule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egbert_v._Boule.
blurbleblurble 1y ago
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/E4KPtVIuN1U https://www.youtube.com/shorts/E4KPtVIuN1U

burkaman 1y ago

They have immense power to punish anyone they feel like, and they can and do detain and deport US citizens. They don't give a shit that it's illegal, they're doing it anyway and they won't stop until they are removed from power. They have and will continue to ignore any court orders telling them to stop. Here's a good overview, please take a look at the sources if you don't trust Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_A...

pandaman 1y ago
They don't deport American citizens even if wiki editors are hoping a low IQ reader won't check references and just read the title. The cases they mention are illegal parents taking their technically American citizen children with them. If you want to blame someone for "deporting citizens" then blame the illegals.
- burkaman 1y ago
  Thanks for taking a look, please let me know your justification for the Miguel Silvestre case as well.
  - pandaman 1y ago
    The one who was first deported in 1999? From what a quick search shows - most likely not a citizen.

delecti 1y ago

ICE doesn't have legal authority to punish people. Despite that, they are actively doing it all over the country at this very moment. At least if a TSA agent got a bug up his ass and decided to fuck up your day, you'd probably still walk out of the airport unencumbered by handcuffs. ICE might just black bag you and ship you out of the country.

wat10000 1y ago

They have the power to kidnap citizens off the street and ship them to a third-world prison without telling anyone. That is worse.

wahern 1y ago

> ICE has extremely little power to punish people who are citizens of the united states Tell that to yourself while in a holding cell for 24 hours waiting for your ID to be "verified". Police have long used temporary detention to intimidate and spite people, but at least there had to be reasonable suspicion to make an arrest in the first place, and theoretically victims have resort to a civil rights tort claim. But a recent SCOTUS emergency docket decision has effectively given ICE a pass to arrest people on a whim.[1] And it's much more difficult to press civil rights claims against Federal agents; in fact, it may even be impossible to sue ICE agents for false arrests, no matter how egregious.[2] [1] See the Noem v. Vasquez Perdomo stay at https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a169_5h25.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a169_5h25.pdf. Note that in his concurrence Kavanaugh wantonly mischaracterizes the district court order, then in passing dicta lazily tries to cover his ass by suggesting the rule he just rejected is actually the existing rule. One can only hope the other justices in the majority had different rationales for their decision, and weren't as confused or malicious as Kavanaugh. Sotomayor's dissent is at page 11 (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a169_5h25.pdf#page=11 https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a169_5h25.pdf#...) [2] See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egbert_v._Boule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egbert_v._Boule.

blurbleblurble 1y ago

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/E4KPtVIuN1U https://www.youtube.com/shorts/E4KPtVIuN1U