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It's kinda crazy that we don't yet have an approval process for "flight safe" batteries.

oulipo2 1y ago
Our company is building batteries that are easy to repair, and therefore you can remove and put back the cells easily. This allows you to fly with them :) https://infinite-battery.com https://infinite-battery.com
- criddell 1y ago
  Aren't carry ons limited to 100 Wh total for batteries. For more you need airline approval, no?
  - mjmas 1y ago
    That 100Wh is per-battery. Qantas here in Australia allows 20 batteries of up to 100Wh in carrion luggage.
    - Digit-Al 1y ago
      "carrion luggage" lol Did you get auto-incorrected?
      - me-vs-cat 1y ago
        No, that's just Australia. They have separate luggage limits for game animals. Because this can involve portable refrigeration, people realized you could use this just for batteries.
  - oulipo2 1y ago
    Indeed, but here since you disassemble it, it's no longer a "battery", just cells, which are not regulated the same since when they are disconnected they are mostly passive
grues-dinner 1y ago
Kind of crazy that retailers of these things don't get absolutely hammered into the ground by national testing agencies. It's called a CE mark or equivalent, there is already a system, penalties and tests.
- dylan604 1y ago
  Why the retailers instead of the manufacturers?
  - grues-dinner 1y ago
    Because retailers take the legal responsibility for what they sell to the public. In the same way statutory returns go to the retailer, not the manufacturer (unless the manufacturer has volunteered an extra warranty to use on top). They can take it up with the manufacturers if they want. The customer doesn't enter into a contract with the manufacturer when they buy an item from a retailer. They do so with the retailer. Which is not to say the agencies shouldn't also ban the product from the market. But that doesn't absolve the retailer of their duties.
    - dylan604 1y ago
      This feels gross. If the manufacturers are not held accountable, then they will never stop making shite products. If the retailers are knowingly selling shite products, then sure. But most of the time, retailers are just selling products they think customers will want to buy. Lots of shite products get returned to the manufacturer when the retailers cannot move them, or other issues arise from the products. The retailers are the front line for returns as that's the point of contact for the customer. That's just the nature of the beast. If a company establishes itself as a maker of decent products that retailers can trust suddenly gets lazy/cheap/profit focused to the point they cheapen their products, it is not the retailer's fault.
      - jackvalentine 1y ago
        The _retailer_ has the relationship with the manufacturer and will need to return the returns to them and get a refund.
mastax 1y ago
UN 38.3? https://www.intertek.com/batteries/un-38-3-testing/ https://www.intertek.com/batteries/un-38-3-testing/
ajsnigrutin 1y ago
Statistically, pretty much all batteries are safe. Millions and millions of batteries pass through airports, train stations, shopping centers, etc. daily, and nothing happens. And then one of them catches fire, and it's in all the media. Compare this to eg. car crashes,... you probably know more people who've been in a car crash compared to people who've had batteries explode. ...on the other hand, we've banned liquids on planes because of an even rarer event.

Our company is building batteries that are easy to repair, and therefore you can remove and put back the cells easily. This allows you to fly with them :) https://infinite-battery.com https://infinite-battery.com

criddell 1y ago
Aren't carry ons limited to 100 Wh total for batteries. For more you need airline approval, no?
- mjmas 1y ago
  That 100Wh is per-battery. Qantas here in Australia allows 20 batteries of up to 100Wh in carrion luggage.
  - Digit-Al 1y ago
    "carrion luggage" lol Did you get auto-incorrected?
    - me-vs-cat 1y ago
      No, that's just Australia. They have separate luggage limits for game animals. Because this can involve portable refrigeration, people realized you could use this just for batteries.
- oulipo2 1y ago
  Indeed, but here since you disassemble it, it's no longer a "battery", just cells, which are not regulated the same since when they are disconnected they are mostly passive

grues-dinner 1y ago

Kind of crazy that retailers of these things don't get absolutely hammered into the ground by national testing agencies. It's called a CE mark or equivalent, there is already a system, penalties and tests.

dylan604 1y ago
Why the retailers instead of the manufacturers?
- grues-dinner 1y ago
  Because retailers take the legal responsibility for what they sell to the public. In the same way statutory returns go to the retailer, not the manufacturer (unless the manufacturer has volunteered an extra warranty to use on top). They can take it up with the manufacturers if they want. The customer doesn't enter into a contract with the manufacturer when they buy an item from a retailer. They do so with the retailer. Which is not to say the agencies shouldn't also ban the product from the market. But that doesn't absolve the retailer of their duties.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    This feels gross. If the manufacturers are not held accountable, then they will never stop making shite products. If the retailers are knowingly selling shite products, then sure. But most of the time, retailers are just selling products they think customers will want to buy. Lots of shite products get returned to the manufacturer when the retailers cannot move them, or other issues arise from the products. The retailers are the front line for returns as that's the point of contact for the customer. That's just the nature of the beast. If a company establishes itself as a maker of decent products that retailers can trust suddenly gets lazy/cheap/profit focused to the point they cheapen their products, it is not the retailer's fault.
    - jackvalentine 1y ago
      The _retailer_ has the relationship with the manufacturer and will need to return the returns to them and get a refund.

mastax 1y ago

UN 38.3? https://www.intertek.com/batteries/un-38-3-testing/ https://www.intertek.com/batteries/un-38-3-testing/

ajsnigrutin 1y ago

Statistically, pretty much all batteries are safe. Millions and millions of batteries pass through airports, train stations, shopping centers, etc. daily, and nothing happens. And then one of them catches fire, and it's in all the media. Compare this to eg. car crashes,... you probably know more people who've been in a car crash compared to people who've had batteries explode. ...on the other hand, we've banned liquids on planes because of an even rarer event.