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> "The Quiet Skies program was ended in June 2025 by the Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noehm. The same day as the Senate hearing on Quiet Skies last w

by axus 1y ago

> "The Quiet Skies program was ended in June 2025 by the Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noehm. The same day as the Senate hearing on Quiet Skies last week, the TSA announced that Secretary Noehm was firing five senior TSA officials associated with the Quite Skies program, including the TSA’s executive assistant administrator for operations support and the deputy assistant administrator for intelligence and analysis." Credit where credit is due!

josefritzishere 1y ago
Spying on people using DHS and ICE resources or Palantier isn't better on using the TSA. It's all the same.
- KPGv2 1y ago
  > Spying on people using DHS and ICE resources or Palantier isn't better on using the TSA. It's all the same. You're right, but not for the reason you think. TSA is part of DHS, so it's a tautology.
- ls612 1y ago
  Doing one wrong thing is better than doing two. You can oppose the Trump administration immigration policy and this sort of TSA abuse and celebrate one of them ending.
  - bilbo0s 1y ago
    Not if it didn't end. US travel blacklists are now maintained by the TSC at FBI. What the Trump admin did was political sleight of hand. Calculated specifically to please people who, because we make it intentionally complex, are unable to understand the full spectrum of our military, law enforcement, and intelligence infrastructure. Politically speaking, these kinds of people could be made to believe we got rid of travel blacklists. When in actuality, the lists today are even longer. Slightly off topic, but this is one of the primary reasons independents will never win an election by the way. The liberals and conservatives can always say, "you're lying", and it would take longer than the average voter is willing to pay attention for an independent explain why they're not lying.
  - coldtea 1y ago
    >Doing one wrong thing is better than doing two Depends on their respective impact.
blurbleblurble 1y ago
Absolutely not. These jerks are very clearly posturing to consolidate all the power into ICE and private contractors to punish political and ideological opposition to their little ethnic nationalism project. She gets credit for being complicit in a violent overthrow of the Democratic government of the united States. Go read the latest national security memo and ask yourself, if they carry that through as written will you feel safe to show up at the airport?
- bilbo0s 1y ago
  I don't know about the violent overthrow stuff, but you're absolutely right about the simple consolidation of Constitutional violations with respect to travel into FBI and ICE. But that's how politics work, if you wave around a shiny bauble above your head in your right hand, most people are wayyy too slow to remember to look at what you're doing under the table with your left hand. I think that's the dynamic that the original comment is evidence of.
  - blurbleblurble 1y ago
    Whole heartedly agree. The violent overthrow stuff is reference to current attempts to send the US military into blue states against court orders, to drum up the insurrection act, to the violent arrests of children in their underwear as a publicity stunt, to ICE officers / bounty hunters ramming cars into pedestrians without recourse, to the slamming of non-violent bystanders into the ground, arresting elected officials violently for no reason, to the psychological violence of the rhetoric being broadcast ("Russ Vought is the reaper") along with Stephen Miller's rhetoric in general but specifically about how many 10s of millions of people don't belong in this country in his mind. Brown people is who he's talking about. They want ethnic cleansing and are openly blatant about it if you open your ears to exactly what they're saying. Sure they'll also deny it at other times, opportunistically, but if you listen to what they're saying in full, not just to denials, they're spelling it out. Go listen to the leaked Russ Vought interview about his strategy and tell me that's not incredibly violent. Listen to Stephen Miller's rhetoric. These guys are itching to arrest elected officials and political critics, and to go as far as they can to hurt and punish people who push back against the state that they're hell bent on forcing into existence. If you haven't seen these things I urge you to pay attention.
notanastronaut 1y ago
"News reports, presumably based on DHS statements, described Quiet Skies as a 'Biden-era' program even though its largest expansion came in 2018 during the first Trump administration." More like we're lucky that in blind fury they lashed out and actually crumbled something that was terrible to begin with. A broken clock and all that.
bilbo0s 1y ago
I'm sorry. Just to be clear.. You do realize, do you not, that the US travel blacklist is now maintained by TSC instead of being a major feature of TSA right? I mean you don't actually believe we would get rid of that function do you?
mdhb 1y ago
A real “at least hitler made the trains run on time” moment.
- IAmBroom 1y ago
  Technically, that was Mussolini. Who didn't even do that. Hitler's only contribution was killing the great-great-great-grandfather of the time machine, assuring his own birth, but also preventing the worst tourist industry ever developed.
Georgelemental 1y ago
Republican elected officials and members of the present admin, e.g. Tulsi Gabbard, were targeted by the program under Biden. So they had a personal grudge
- lostdog 1y ago
  Is there a source for this or did you just make it up?
  - anonymousiam 1y ago
    https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2025/09/30/dhs-and-tsa-expose-targeting-political-opponents-former-biden https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2025/09/30/dhs-and-t...
    - lostdog 1y ago
      Your source is a press release by the Trump administration?

by axus 1y ago

josefritzishere 1y ago

Spying on people using DHS and ICE resources or Palantier isn't better on using the TSA. It's all the same.

KPGv2 1y ago
> Spying on people using DHS and ICE resources or Palantier isn't better on using the TSA. It's all the same. You're right, but not for the reason you think. TSA is part of DHS, so it's a tautology.
ls612 1y ago
Doing one wrong thing is better than doing two. You can oppose the Trump administration immigration policy and this sort of TSA abuse and celebrate one of them ending.
- bilbo0s 1y ago
  Not if it didn't end. US travel blacklists are now maintained by the TSC at FBI. What the Trump admin did was political sleight of hand. Calculated specifically to please people who, because we make it intentionally complex, are unable to understand the full spectrum of our military, law enforcement, and intelligence infrastructure. Politically speaking, these kinds of people could be made to believe we got rid of travel blacklists. When in actuality, the lists today are even longer. Slightly off topic, but this is one of the primary reasons independents will never win an election by the way. The liberals and conservatives can always say, "you're lying", and it would take longer than the average voter is willing to pay attention for an independent explain why they're not lying.
- coldtea 1y ago
  >Doing one wrong thing is better than doing two Depends on their respective impact.

blurbleblurble 1y ago

Absolutely not. These jerks are very clearly posturing to consolidate all the power into ICE and private contractors to punish political and ideological opposition to their little ethnic nationalism project. She gets credit for being complicit in a violent overthrow of the Democratic government of the united States. Go read the latest national security memo and ask yourself, if they carry that through as written will you feel safe to show up at the airport?

bilbo0s 1y ago
I don't know about the violent overthrow stuff, but you're absolutely right about the simple consolidation of Constitutional violations with respect to travel into FBI and ICE. But that's how politics work, if you wave around a shiny bauble above your head in your right hand, most people are wayyy too slow to remember to look at what you're doing under the table with your left hand. I think that's the dynamic that the original comment is evidence of.
- blurbleblurble 1y ago
  Whole heartedly agree. The violent overthrow stuff is reference to current attempts to send the US military into blue states against court orders, to drum up the insurrection act, to the violent arrests of children in their underwear as a publicity stunt, to ICE officers / bounty hunters ramming cars into pedestrians without recourse, to the slamming of non-violent bystanders into the ground, arresting elected officials violently for no reason, to the psychological violence of the rhetoric being broadcast ("Russ Vought is the reaper") along with Stephen Miller's rhetoric in general but specifically about how many 10s of millions of people don't belong in this country in his mind. Brown people is who he's talking about. They want ethnic cleansing and are openly blatant about it if you open your ears to exactly what they're saying. Sure they'll also deny it at other times, opportunistically, but if you listen to what they're saying in full, not just to denials, they're spelling it out. Go listen to the leaked Russ Vought interview about his strategy and tell me that's not incredibly violent. Listen to Stephen Miller's rhetoric. These guys are itching to arrest elected officials and political critics, and to go as far as they can to hurt and punish people who push back against the state that they're hell bent on forcing into existence. If you haven't seen these things I urge you to pay attention.

notanastronaut 1y ago

"News reports, presumably based on DHS statements, described Quiet Skies as a 'Biden-era' program even though its largest expansion came in 2018 during the first Trump administration." More like we're lucky that in blind fury they lashed out and actually crumbled something that was terrible to begin with. A broken clock and all that.

bilbo0s 1y ago

I'm sorry. Just to be clear.. You do realize, do you not, that the US travel blacklist is now maintained by TSC instead of being a major feature of TSA right? I mean you don't actually believe we would get rid of that function do you?

mdhb 1y ago

A real “at least hitler made the trains run on time” moment.

IAmBroom 1y ago
Technically, that was Mussolini. Who didn't even do that. Hitler's only contribution was killing the great-great-great-grandfather of the time machine, assuring his own birth, but also preventing the worst tourist industry ever developed.

Georgelemental 1y ago

Republican elected officials and members of the present admin, e.g. Tulsi Gabbard, were targeted by the program under Biden. So they had a personal grudge

lostdog 1y ago
Is there a source for this or did you just make it up?
- anonymousiam 1y ago
  https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2025/09/30/dhs-and-tsa-expose-targeting-political-opponents-former-biden https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2025/09/30/dhs-and-t...
  - lostdog 1y ago
    Your source is a press release by the Trump administration?