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> still can't buy Linux system at the local PC store other than Raspberry PIs. More or less every Ryzen motherboard is guaranteed to work (as is Intel, just th

> still can't buy Linux system at the local PC store other than Raspberry PIs. More or less every Ryzen motherboard is guaranteed to work (as is Intel, just they aren't bang for bucks)?

pjmlp 1y ago
In which well known European PC store can I buy a desktop or 100% supported laptop with Linux pre-installed? Meaning Worten, FNAC, Public, MediaMarkt, Saturn, Dixons, CoolBlue,... I am no strange to UNIX, having started with Xenix in 1993, going through all major ones, and knowing Linux since Slackware 2.0, but I have better things to do in 2025 with my spare time than installing Linux distros. Hence why I rather stick with VMWare Workstation, WSL, or cloud instances nowadays.
- tliltocatl 1y ago
  Pre-installed? Like with loads of bloatware from the manufacturer? Anyway, the major distros nowadays aren't Slackware. They work from the box, sans Nvidia (but unless you need CUDA that's just a reason not to go with Nvidia) and maybe Broadcom's WiFi (the firmware is in "non-free" repos because of licensing). An installation wouldn't take more than ten minutes, of which eight minutes is just watching the load bar. Then, of course, if you hate GNOME3 as much as I do it will take a bit more - but preinstalled wouldn't save you here either.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    As your comment points out some things never change regarding hardware support.
- bigwheels 1y ago
  I haven't been to a computer electronics store since Fry's Electronics shuttered in 2021. RIP good old days. It's pretty straightforward to re-image Linux onto any common x86-64 or arm64 hardware, not sure why one would shy away from this - nowadays it's actually easier than installing Windows.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    I rather not do DevOps nor IT support on my free time, that I rather spend with family and friends.
    - tliltocatl 1y ago
      That's why what's microsoft is pulling off is getting through.
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        Also why WebOS, ChromeOS and Android are the successful Linux distributions that the general public cares about. As long as hardware with GNU/Linux is something special not available on general stores, or when, only in the form of Raspberry PI kits for kids, adoption will stay as it is.
    - bigwheels 1y ago
      That's fair, I'm definitely a DIY'er. Cheers, pjmlp!

> still can't buy Linux system at the local PC store other than Raspberry PIs. More or less every Ryzen motherboard is guaranteed to work (as is Intel, just they aren't bang for bucks)?

pjmlp 1y ago

In which well known European PC store can I buy a desktop or 100% supported laptop with Linux pre-installed? Meaning Worten, FNAC, Public, MediaMarkt, Saturn, Dixons, CoolBlue,... I am no strange to UNIX, having started with Xenix in 1993, going through all major ones, and knowing Linux since Slackware 2.0, but I have better things to do in 2025 with my spare time than installing Linux distros. Hence why I rather stick with VMWare Workstation, WSL, or cloud instances nowadays.

tliltocatl 1y ago
Pre-installed? Like with loads of bloatware from the manufacturer? Anyway, the major distros nowadays aren't Slackware. They work from the box, sans Nvidia (but unless you need CUDA that's just a reason not to go with Nvidia) and maybe Broadcom's WiFi (the firmware is in "non-free" repos because of licensing). An installation wouldn't take more than ten minutes, of which eight minutes is just watching the load bar. Then, of course, if you hate GNOME3 as much as I do it will take a bit more - but preinstalled wouldn't save you here either.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  As your comment points out some things never change regarding hardware support.
bigwheels 1y ago
I haven't been to a computer electronics store since Fry's Electronics shuttered in 2021. RIP good old days. It's pretty straightforward to re-image Linux onto any common x86-64 or arm64 hardware, not sure why one would shy away from this - nowadays it's actually easier than installing Windows.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  I rather not do DevOps nor IT support on my free time, that I rather spend with family and friends.
  - tliltocatl 1y ago
    That's why what's microsoft is pulling off is getting through.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      Also why WebOS, ChromeOS and Android are the successful Linux distributions that the general public cares about. As long as hardware with GNU/Linux is something special not available on general stores, or when, only in the form of Raspberry PI kits for kids, adoption will stay as it is.
  - bigwheels 1y ago
    That's fair, I'm definitely a DIY'er. Cheers, pjmlp!