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+1 To add to the experience of connecting to people, I can also imagine our family members taking a photograph together while in VR of the family living room –

+1 To add to the experience of connecting to people, I can also imagine our family members taking a photograph together while in VR of the family living room – a memento we can take away. That would work if our VR avatars are realistic representations of ourselves, which I think Meta can do (?)

lm28469 1y ago
This sounds like an absolute nightmare. Technology disconnected us over decades, then gave us "solutions" to stay in touch 24/7, people are lonelier than ever but we keep pushing for more of this shit. You can already call and video call your family, basically for free, what does VR bring to the table ? "Hey John, grandpa will expire soon can you quickly jump in your headset and upload yourself to his VR cabin in the wood, the one we rent from MetaSpital for $99 a day, to take a selfie with him before he dies alone in a cold hospital room"
- andybak 1y ago
  It's just another way to record a time and place. No more different to a video than a video is to a photo. Just slightly more fidelity. It's a good thing. It's a nice thing. Chill. I get that there's reasons to be angry at big tech but this isn't one of them. Accurate and easy 3d scanning, high fidelity rendering and a way to view in 6dof stereoscopic is just a great use case entirely separate from the machinations of our evil overlords.
  - lm28469 1y ago
    And how does a 3d rendered world that doesn't exist anywhere other than in a computer has more fidelity than real life ? > It's a good thing. It's a nice thing. Chill That's your opinion, the fact that VR tanked hard seems to indicate most people don't agree
    - itsdrewmiller 1y ago
      It has more fidelity than a photograph or a 2d video. No one has claimed it is higher fidelity than real life.
    - theshackleford 1y ago
      > And how does a 3d rendered world that doesn't exist anywhere other than in a computer has more fidelity than real life ? It's not always posible to meet up with people in real life. A lot of my friends moved overseas and I have neither the time nor inclination to be flying to sweden/the USA constantly. > That's your opinion, the fact that VR tanked hard seems to indicate most people don't agree This in no way changes the reality of their situation, in fact frankly, its irrelevant. Something being "nice" or "good" does not require it also have mass market appeal.
      - skeeter2020 1y ago
        >> I have neither the time nor inclination to be flying Everybody struggles with that trade-off; it would be nice if the pro virtual connected crowd acknowledged that a big part of the value of these relationships is that they aren't easy or casual. The infrequency and cost/effort involved is part of what inherently makes them special. I seem to be in the minority that would trade 100 cursory relationships for 1 deeply meaningful relationship.
        theshackleford 1y ago
        > The infrequency and cost/effort involved is part of what inherently makes them special That may be true for you, but it’s not universal. Only being able to see some of my cloest friends every few years beyond a phone call or text doesn’t make the relationship any more “special”, it just makes it feel distant. VR doesn’t replace the real thing, but it does let me maintain closeness with people who aren’t geographically close anymore. I still fly out and see them, but between those moments, shared time in VR keeps the connection alive and meaningful. > I seem to be in the minority that would trade 100 cursory relationships for 1 deeply meaningful relationship. You’re not in the minority for wanting depth, but may be in a minority for assuming that depth can only come through scarcity and physical presence. Meaningful relationships are built on shared experience, and VR has given my friend group new ways to have those together despite no longer in fact, being together. Once a month, I hang out in VR with friends scattered across the world. We drink, laugh, gesture, watch movies and even move. We attended a virtual dance party a while back and it was a fantastic time. It’s presence, not proximity, that matters for us in the end and we have found VR quite useful for that.
  - skeeter2020 1y ago
    If this continues the trend of technology discouraging in-person, physical connectedness then it's not an all-good, all-nice thing. It could actually be a very dangerous, very bad thing.
    - dylan604 1y ago
      If you get used to living in your little pod generating heat to act as a small power supply while living a fulfilled live in your little VR world, then it is a good thing...for the machines. Could I interest you in this little blue pill? You seem to be resisting your programming.
- kakacik 1y ago
  That's an extreme take, venting off some inner fears and frustrations? There are many use cases where this can add value. People these days live far from their families, what's wrong with connecting in a better/different way if desired? Not everybody wants or can stay with their families for whole life and that's fine, something about personal freedom and right to self-determination, desire for massive personal growth that exposure to different cultures invariably brings in, adventures and so on.
  - lm28469 1y ago
    > something about personal freedom and right to self-determination This has to be satire, god emperor Zuck and his megacorp Meta fighting for our personal freedoms and right to self-determination. You're already living in an alternate universe apparently
  - jmathai 1y ago
    I used to think this. But as I’ve aged and grown wiser, I think perhaps everyone should consider the large negative impacts of moving so far away from family. Technology can’t solve all the problems.
    - Klaster_1 1y ago
      If it's dangerous to stay in home country or there are almost no work opportunities, a lot of people choose to leave. Surely they'd appreciate seeing family and friends through a more rich medium than flat video. I'd certainly do.
      - jmathai 1y ago
        My parents immigrated from India to the US for those reasons. I understand what you're talking about and agree. That's not the type of reason I meant to allude to.
  - diamond559 1y ago
    It's adding another dimension to video calls, this isn't solving any major problems in the world. It won't bring in billions in revenue either.
- mabedan 1y ago
  I agree with the general sentiment. I also think we forgot how to enjoy quality time together and these “solutions” will make matters worse. But in some scenarios, like what I described, which is just spending time together, it can help
- foobarian 1y ago
  Yeah, pesky technology disconnecting us. Best to go back before cars where nobody could move anywhere. See you Sunday in church
  - apsurd 1y ago
    This doesn't make sense. It's the baby out with the bath water. Yes! actually cars did have a plausibly negative effect on connection. in the before times you couldn't travel far so you didn't. and you saw your family ever day of your life. It's not all it's cracked up to be sure, but we're talking logistics. Now with cars you can go wherever! And people move continents away and are told to make the family trip once a year at thanksgiving to do the family thing. Can you believe that with more optionality comes paradoxically fewer "chosen" options. See Netflix.
    - foobarian 1y ago
      I know right? It sure makes you wonder.
      - _ZeD_ 1y ago
        The thing is... are we happyer now?
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- SoftTalker 1y ago
  Agree 100%. Sounds absolutely awful.

lm28469 1y ago

This sounds like an absolute nightmare. Technology disconnected us over decades, then gave us "solutions" to stay in touch 24/7, people are lonelier than ever but we keep pushing for more of this shit. You can already call and video call your family, basically for free, what does VR bring to the table ? "Hey John, grandpa will expire soon can you quickly jump in your headset and upload yourself to his VR cabin in the wood, the one we rent from MetaSpital for $99 a day, to take a selfie with him before he dies alone in a cold hospital room"

andybak 1y ago
It's just another way to record a time and place. No more different to a video than a video is to a photo. Just slightly more fidelity. It's a good thing. It's a nice thing. Chill. I get that there's reasons to be angry at big tech but this isn't one of them. Accurate and easy 3d scanning, high fidelity rendering and a way to view in 6dof stereoscopic is just a great use case entirely separate from the machinations of our evil overlords.
- lm28469 1y ago
  And how does a 3d rendered world that doesn't exist anywhere other than in a computer has more fidelity than real life ? > It's a good thing. It's a nice thing. Chill That's your opinion, the fact that VR tanked hard seems to indicate most people don't agree
  - itsdrewmiller 1y ago
    It has more fidelity than a photograph or a 2d video. No one has claimed it is higher fidelity than real life.
  - theshackleford 1y ago
    > And how does a 3d rendered world that doesn't exist anywhere other than in a computer has more fidelity than real life ? It's not always posible to meet up with people in real life. A lot of my friends moved overseas and I have neither the time nor inclination to be flying to sweden/the USA constantly. > That's your opinion, the fact that VR tanked hard seems to indicate most people don't agree This in no way changes the reality of their situation, in fact frankly, its irrelevant. Something being "nice" or "good" does not require it also have mass market appeal.
    - skeeter2020 1y ago
      >> I have neither the time nor inclination to be flying Everybody struggles with that trade-off; it would be nice if the pro virtual connected crowd acknowledged that a big part of the value of these relationships is that they aren't easy or casual. The infrequency and cost/effort involved is part of what inherently makes them special. I seem to be in the minority that would trade 100 cursory relationships for 1 deeply meaningful relationship.
      - theshackleford 1y ago
        > The infrequency and cost/effort involved is part of what inherently makes them special That may be true for you, but it’s not universal. Only being able to see some of my cloest friends every few years beyond a phone call or text doesn’t make the relationship any more “special”, it just makes it feel distant. VR doesn’t replace the real thing, but it does let me maintain closeness with people who aren’t geographically close anymore. I still fly out and see them, but between those moments, shared time in VR keeps the connection alive and meaningful. > I seem to be in the minority that would trade 100 cursory relationships for 1 deeply meaningful relationship. You’re not in the minority for wanting depth, but may be in a minority for assuming that depth can only come through scarcity and physical presence. Meaningful relationships are built on shared experience, and VR has given my friend group new ways to have those together despite no longer in fact, being together. Once a month, I hang out in VR with friends scattered across the world. We drink, laugh, gesture, watch movies and even move. We attended a virtual dance party a while back and it was a fantastic time. It’s presence, not proximity, that matters for us in the end and we have found VR quite useful for that.
- skeeter2020 1y ago
  If this continues the trend of technology discouraging in-person, physical connectedness then it's not an all-good, all-nice thing. It could actually be a very dangerous, very bad thing.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    If you get used to living in your little pod generating heat to act as a small power supply while living a fulfilled live in your little VR world, then it is a good thing...for the machines. Could I interest you in this little blue pill? You seem to be resisting your programming.
kakacik 1y ago
That's an extreme take, venting off some inner fears and frustrations? There are many use cases where this can add value. People these days live far from their families, what's wrong with connecting in a better/different way if desired? Not everybody wants or can stay with their families for whole life and that's fine, something about personal freedom and right to self-determination, desire for massive personal growth that exposure to different cultures invariably brings in, adventures and so on.
- lm28469 1y ago
  > something about personal freedom and right to self-determination This has to be satire, god emperor Zuck and his megacorp Meta fighting for our personal freedoms and right to self-determination. You're already living in an alternate universe apparently
- jmathai 1y ago
  I used to think this. But as I’ve aged and grown wiser, I think perhaps everyone should consider the large negative impacts of moving so far away from family. Technology can’t solve all the problems.
  - Klaster_1 1y ago
    If it's dangerous to stay in home country or there are almost no work opportunities, a lot of people choose to leave. Surely they'd appreciate seeing family and friends through a more rich medium than flat video. I'd certainly do.
    - jmathai 1y ago
      My parents immigrated from India to the US for those reasons. I understand what you're talking about and agree. That's not the type of reason I meant to allude to.
- diamond559 1y ago
  It's adding another dimension to video calls, this isn't solving any major problems in the world. It won't bring in billions in revenue either.
mabedan 1y ago
I agree with the general sentiment. I also think we forgot how to enjoy quality time together and these “solutions” will make matters worse. But in some scenarios, like what I described, which is just spending time together, it can help
foobarian 1y ago
Yeah, pesky technology disconnecting us. Best to go back before cars where nobody could move anywhere. See you Sunday in church
- apsurd 1y ago
  This doesn't make sense. It's the baby out with the bath water. Yes! actually cars did have a plausibly negative effect on connection. in the before times you couldn't travel far so you didn't. and you saw your family ever day of your life. It's not all it's cracked up to be sure, but we're talking logistics. Now with cars you can go wherever! And people move continents away and are told to make the family trip once a year at thanksgiving to do the family thing. Can you believe that with more optionality comes paradoxically fewer "chosen" options. See Netflix.
  - foobarian 1y ago
    I know right? It sure makes you wonder.
    - _ZeD_ 1y ago
      The thing is... are we happyer now?
- deleted 1y ago
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SoftTalker 1y ago
Agree 100%. Sounds absolutely awful.