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LTE/5G is available on the low bands (700/800MHz) in Europe for a long long time now. I'm running LTE-only with zero problems for 2 years now without a single

LTE/5G is available on the low bands (700/800MHz) in Europe for a long long time now. I'm running LTE-only with zero problems for 2 years now without a single coverage gap. Even in the rural parts.

shakna 1y ago
Europe's size may not lead you to comprehending the US' size. East to west, Texas is larger than most European nations. Meaning it has rural areas larger than some European nations. Whilst there probably are other complaints to add to build the explanation, scale isn't one. The US does have vast and empty spaces.
- ThePowerOfFuet 1y ago
  Enabling newer 3GPP releases on low frequency bands is not a solution that only Europe can provide; they can do it in Texas, too, if they want to.
- CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
  > Europe's size may not lead you to comprehending the US' size. Why not? Europe seems to be about 10 million km2 in land size, and the USA 9 million km2. Are you trying to say that because Europe has bigger land size, it's hard for Europeans to imagine individual states' sizes?
  - shakna 1y ago
    By everyone thinking you can get 100% coverage across the Great Basin Desert? Yes. Yes I do think that the population density of Europe leads them to think everything is closer and easier than it is. That one desert, of many, is about 190,000 miles in size. That's half the size of the whole of France. Are you really saying covering that, with 100% coverage, with no dead spots at all, is a reasonable task to undertake?
    - defrost 1y ago
      That's a population distribution issue, not an area size issue (you yourself raised the size of Texas as a "problem"). FWiW the state I grew up in is 3x the area of Texas with cattle stations larger than those tiny Texas ranches. ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5EQ1NZN6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5EQ1NZN6A If you want to challenge the myth of coverage in Europe forget about size comparisons and look to some of the hard walking trails in remote areas; Via Dinarica Kosovo is known for it's beauty and harsh terrain, not for it's cell reception. Elsewhere in the Balkans, Romania, et al you'll find blind spots.
      - shakna 1y ago
        The signal in the Kimberley's is shithouse, mate. Last time I was there, I went three days with zero signal, because I was in some more remote communities. That's not really an argument against what I was suggesting, is it?
        defrost 1y ago
        > That's not really an argument against what I was suggesting, is it? No, that's pretty much just a tangential straw interpretation of your own design as the signal quality in Kimberley, or lack thereof, has got three tenths of f'all to do with the issue being population distribution rather than size. Both Europe and the US have low population regions with poor signal. Upthread I suspect the anecdata about good quality signal in Europe came from somebody who had more exposure to the well trod higher population density parts of Europe and hadn't encounter less covered corners.
        shakna 1y ago
        > I'm running LTE-only with zero problems for 2 years now without a single coverage gap. Even in the rural parts. The anecdote, was suggesting that our vast and empty lands are trivial to cover. But as you know, that has nothing to do with reality. I'm so sorry I tried to convey it with a tinch of kindness to them. Next time I'll tell them to pull their fucking head in.
  - godelski 1y ago
    Size can mean multiple things. Here's some quick facts comparing population and area - There are 17 European countries >100km2 but 37 US states are - 13 states (only one of those is <100km2) has a population density <= Norway. - The most population dense state is Jersey, at 488 people/km2. 5 European countries are more dense than that. - 10 US states have >100 people/km2 but 25 European countries do (I'm rounding Albania up) - California, the most populous state, is smaller than Sweeden, but larger than Germany in area. It has half the population of Germany. 90% of CA's population lives in 5% of the area (near SF and LA) - Driving North-South through California takes a bit over 13hrs but if you add 30 minutes you'll only hit one of those areas. - Driving East-West across Texas takes 12 hrs and you'll only go through 2 major cities. You are likely to see more tornadoes than cities and definitely more cows than people (I know from experience) Most of the US population is in the East and West coasts. With far more in the east. Most of the US is just empty, but also the land is not nearly as nice as in Europe. I don't think it is hard for Europeans to imagine individual state sizes, but likely won't imagine how empty it is. Hell, even Americans aren't good at that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population_density https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_Europea...

LTE/5G is available on the low bands (700/800MHz) in Europe for a long long time now. I'm running LTE-only with zero problems for 2 years now without a single coverage gap. Even in the rural parts.

shakna 1y ago

Europe's size may not lead you to comprehending the US' size. East to west, Texas is larger than most European nations. Meaning it has rural areas larger than some European nations. Whilst there probably are other complaints to add to build the explanation, scale isn't one. The US does have vast and empty spaces.

ThePowerOfFuet 1y ago
Enabling newer 3GPP releases on low frequency bands is not a solution that only Europe can provide; they can do it in Texas, too, if they want to.
CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
> Europe's size may not lead you to comprehending the US' size. Why not? Europe seems to be about 10 million km2 in land size, and the USA 9 million km2. Are you trying to say that because Europe has bigger land size, it's hard for Europeans to imagine individual states' sizes?
- shakna 1y ago
  By everyone thinking you can get 100% coverage across the Great Basin Desert? Yes. Yes I do think that the population density of Europe leads them to think everything is closer and easier than it is. That one desert, of many, is about 190,000 miles in size. That's half the size of the whole of France. Are you really saying covering that, with 100% coverage, with no dead spots at all, is a reasonable task to undertake?
  - defrost 1y ago
    That's a population distribution issue, not an area size issue (you yourself raised the size of Texas as a "problem"). FWiW the state I grew up in is 3x the area of Texas with cattle stations larger than those tiny Texas ranches. ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5EQ1NZN6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5EQ1NZN6A If you want to challenge the myth of coverage in Europe forget about size comparisons and look to some of the hard walking trails in remote areas; Via Dinarica Kosovo is known for it's beauty and harsh terrain, not for it's cell reception. Elsewhere in the Balkans, Romania, et al you'll find blind spots.
    - shakna 1y ago
      The signal in the Kimberley's is shithouse, mate. Last time I was there, I went three days with zero signal, because I was in some more remote communities. That's not really an argument against what I was suggesting, is it?
      - defrost 1y ago
        > That's not really an argument against what I was suggesting, is it? No, that's pretty much just a tangential straw interpretation of your own design as the signal quality in Kimberley, or lack thereof, has got three tenths of f'all to do with the issue being population distribution rather than size. Both Europe and the US have low population regions with poor signal. Upthread I suspect the anecdata about good quality signal in Europe came from somebody who had more exposure to the well trod higher population density parts of Europe and hadn't encounter less covered corners.
        shakna 1y ago
        > I'm running LTE-only with zero problems for 2 years now without a single coverage gap. Even in the rural parts. The anecdote, was suggesting that our vast and empty lands are trivial to cover. But as you know, that has nothing to do with reality. I'm so sorry I tried to convey it with a tinch of kindness to them. Next time I'll tell them to pull their fucking head in.
- godelski 1y ago
  Size can mean multiple things. Here's some quick facts comparing population and area - There are 17 European countries >100km2 but 37 US states are - 13 states (only one of those is <100km2) has a population density <= Norway. - The most population dense state is Jersey, at 488 people/km2. 5 European countries are more dense than that. - 10 US states have >100 people/km2 but 25 European countries do (I'm rounding Albania up) - California, the most populous state, is smaller than Sweeden, but larger than Germany in area. It has half the population of Germany. 90% of CA's population lives in 5% of the area (near SF and LA) - Driving North-South through California takes a bit over 13hrs but if you add 30 minutes you'll only hit one of those areas. - Driving East-West across Texas takes 12 hrs and you'll only go through 2 major cities. You are likely to see more tornadoes than cities and definitely more cows than people (I know from experience) Most of the US population is in the East and West coasts. With far more in the east. Most of the US is just empty, but also the land is not nearly as nice as in Europe. I don't think it is hard for Europeans to imagine individual state sizes, but likely won't imagine how empty it is. Hell, even Americans aren't good at that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population_density https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_Europea...