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More impressive is the fact you can upgrade from Windows 1.0 all the way to the latest one. I am not a fan of Windows but I found this to be impressive. https:

More impressive is the fact you can upgrade from Windows 1.0 all the way to the latest one. I am not a fan of Windows but I found this to be impressive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f5DnlUyaq8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f5DnlUyaq8

zamadatix 1y ago
> More impressive is the fact you can upgrade from Windows 1.0 all the way to the latest one. That's no longer true since Windows 11 went 64 bit only (with no in place upgrade path as 16->32 bit had). E.g. the linked video starts a clean slate at XP in order to switch to 64 bit from that point on. Still damn impressive one can make it all the way to Windows 10 (32 bit), but equally crazy IMO the upgrade story finally ended with 11.
- bigwheels 1y ago
  It's actually appropriate for it to break with 11, since Windows 11 is the fork in the road where many of us stopped caring to use Windows anymore.
  - zamadatix 1y ago
    And for the folks that prefer to bash XP (Fisher Price UI or whatever): XP 64 was the first (and so far only) version of Windows in the chain to not be reachable by any upgrade path whatsoever (where at least Windows 11 can still be reached by upgrading 64 bit Windows 10 and so on, back to XP 64). So, arguably, it's at least (if not more) at fault than 11 - depending which brings more joy for one to blame. Windows 95 was really the one which made the story interesting (the important bridge between 16->32), so no help to those that preferred NT or other OSs at the time and wanted an excuse to bash it :p.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    Unfortunately the alternatives aren't much better, Apple is out of my budget for home computers, and I still can't buy Linux system at the local PC store other than Raspberry PIs.
    - tliltocatl 1y ago
      > still can't buy Linux system at the local PC store other than Raspberry PIs. More or less every Ryzen motherboard is guaranteed to work (as is Intel, just they aren't bang for bucks)?
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        In which well known European PC store can I buy a desktop or 100% supported laptop with Linux pre-installed? Meaning Worten, FNAC, Public, MediaMarkt, Saturn, Dixons, CoolBlue,... I am no strange to UNIX, having started with Xenix in 1993, going through all major ones, and knowing Linux since Slackware 2.0, but I have better things to do in 2025 with my spare time than installing Linux distros. Hence why I rather stick with VMWare Workstation, WSL, or cloud instances nowadays.
        tliltocatl 1y ago
        Pre-installed? Like with loads of bloatware from the manufacturer? Anyway, the major distros nowadays aren't Slackware. They work from the box, sans Nvidia (but unless you need CUDA that's just a reason not to go with Nvidia) and maybe Broadcom's WiFi (the firmware is in "non-free" repos because of licensing). An installation wouldn't take more than ten minutes, of which eight minutes is just watching the load bar. Then, of course, if you hate GNOME3 as much as I do it will take a bit more - but preinstalled wouldn't save you here either.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        As your comment points out some things never change regarding hardware support.
        bigwheels 1y ago
        I haven't been to a computer electronics store since Fry's Electronics shuttered in 2021. RIP good old days. It's pretty straightforward to re-image Linux onto any common x86-64 or arm64 hardware, not sure why one would shy away from this - nowadays it's actually easier than installing Windows.

zamadatix 1y ago

> More impressive is the fact you can upgrade from Windows 1.0 all the way to the latest one. That's no longer true since Windows 11 went 64 bit only (with no in place upgrade path as 16->32 bit had). E.g. the linked video starts a clean slate at XP in order to switch to 64 bit from that point on. Still damn impressive one can make it all the way to Windows 10 (32 bit), but equally crazy IMO the upgrade story finally ended with 11.

bigwheels 1y ago
It's actually appropriate for it to break with 11, since Windows 11 is the fork in the road where many of us stopped caring to use Windows anymore.
- zamadatix 1y ago
  And for the folks that prefer to bash XP (Fisher Price UI or whatever): XP 64 was the first (and so far only) version of Windows in the chain to not be reachable by any upgrade path whatsoever (where at least Windows 11 can still be reached by upgrading 64 bit Windows 10 and so on, back to XP 64). So, arguably, it's at least (if not more) at fault than 11 - depending which brings more joy for one to blame. Windows 95 was really the one which made the story interesting (the important bridge between 16->32), so no help to those that preferred NT or other OSs at the time and wanted an excuse to bash it :p.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  Unfortunately the alternatives aren't much better, Apple is out of my budget for home computers, and I still can't buy Linux system at the local PC store other than Raspberry PIs.
  - tliltocatl 1y ago
    > still can't buy Linux system at the local PC store other than Raspberry PIs. More or less every Ryzen motherboard is guaranteed to work (as is Intel, just they aren't bang for bucks)?
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      In which well known European PC store can I buy a desktop or 100% supported laptop with Linux pre-installed? Meaning Worten, FNAC, Public, MediaMarkt, Saturn, Dixons, CoolBlue,... I am no strange to UNIX, having started with Xenix in 1993, going through all major ones, and knowing Linux since Slackware 2.0, but I have better things to do in 2025 with my spare time than installing Linux distros. Hence why I rather stick with VMWare Workstation, WSL, or cloud instances nowadays.
      - tliltocatl 1y ago
        Pre-installed? Like with loads of bloatware from the manufacturer? Anyway, the major distros nowadays aren't Slackware. They work from the box, sans Nvidia (but unless you need CUDA that's just a reason not to go with Nvidia) and maybe Broadcom's WiFi (the firmware is in "non-free" repos because of licensing). An installation wouldn't take more than ten minutes, of which eight minutes is just watching the load bar. Then, of course, if you hate GNOME3 as much as I do it will take a bit more - but preinstalled wouldn't save you here either.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        As your comment points out some things never change regarding hardware support.
      - bigwheels 1y ago
        I haven't been to a computer electronics store since Fry's Electronics shuttered in 2021. RIP good old days. It's pretty straightforward to re-image Linux onto any common x86-64 or arm64 hardware, not sure why one would shy away from this - nowadays it's actually easier than installing Windows.