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The most comprehensive “Singal does bad journalism” montages come from the left-wing media outlets and leftist bloggers that he’s targeted over the years. The t

The most comprehensive “Singal does bad journalism” montages come from the left-wing media outlets and leftist bloggers that he’s targeted over the years. The typical HN commenter is going to immediately gloss those accounts as partisan hyperbole. And why not? It’s purely academic for some of them, and internally worldview-challenging for others. But if you really are honestly curious and unbiased, M. K. Anderson wrote a well-researched article for Protean in 2022.

mustache_kimono 1y ago
> But if you really are honestly curious and unbiased, M. K. Anderson wrote a well-researched article for Protean in 2022. Wow. I've read that article and if you think that was unbiased or even-handed... There is a tech blogger who I really don't like and this blogger happened upon a comment where I said I really didn't like anything they had written, and happened to ask, "Why?" And my answer was how deeply incurious they were, and how incurious they invited their readers to be. This blogger never acknowledge the potential they might be wrong. Even as a nodding feint to fallibility as something we simply expect of people writing about any complex topic. That's what that article is like to me.
- TimorousBestie 1y ago
  I explicitly said it and every other example of the genre was biased, so I don’t know why you’re claiming otherwise. Thanks for confirming my priors on HN users. I said it was well-researched, which is true.
fellpie 1y ago
> But if you really are honestly curious and unbiased, M. K. Anderson wrote a well-researched article for Protean in 2022. He misrepresents Singal's writing, uses guilt-by-association smears, and focuses more on personal vilification of Singal than substantive critique. For example his claim that Singal's writing "endangers trans lives" is hyperbolic and unsupported. This is nothing more than a hit piece penned to destroy the heretic.
- TimorousBestie 1y ago
  > For example his claim that Singal's writing "endangers trans lives" is hyperbolic and unsupported. Partially due to Singal’s sensationalist journalism, trans people in the United States are about to lose access to some forms of healthcare—treatments that will remain accessible to cis people, like hormone replacement therapy. So I think history has vindicated this particular claim. I don’t expect you to agree, however. I am honored that you made an account just to respond to this! Welcome to HN.
  - jazzyjackson 1y ago
    That's quite the leap of causation
    - TimorousBestie 1y ago
      https://commonslibrary.org/the-anti-trans-movement/ https://commonslibrary.org/the-anti-trans-movement/ Singal is part of the “Disinformation and Conversion” faction, as a promoter of so-called “rapid onset gender dysphoria.”
  - Manuel_D 1y ago
    Couldn't it be possible that chemically altering minors isn't be best course of treatment? The UK, Finland, Italy, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway have all stopped routine prescription of puberty blockers to treat gender dysphoria on the grounds that their efficacy is not clear but the negative side effects are. It's extremely hard to claim the science is settled at this point. The allegations of harm seem to come from an a priori conclusion that these treatments are beneficial.
    - TimorousBestie 1y ago
      I welcome any novel, high-quality scientific research on better treatments for gender dysphoric children. But, in the States at least, there is no longer any funding for that. They cut all of it by grepping the NIH and NSF databases for “gender”, more or less. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/nih-terminating-active-research-grants-related-lgbtq-dei/story?id=119553232 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/nih-terminating-active-researc... What there soon will be in the States, assuming SCOTUS overturns the Colorado ban this term, is a renaissance of conversion therapy. If you abuse the child hard enough and long enough, they’ll have bigger problems than gender dysphoria or—coming up in the next wave of manufactured outrage—same-sex attraction. Hard to say that the “just asking questions” club has the child’s best interests at heart.
LexiMax 1y ago
Thanks. I'm well acquainted with Hacker News' proclivities for mob censorship, but I didn't know a ton about this specific incident.

mustache_kimono 1y ago

> But if you really are honestly curious and unbiased, M. K. Anderson wrote a well-researched article for Protean in 2022. Wow. I've read that article and if you think that was unbiased or even-handed... There is a tech blogger who I really don't like and this blogger happened upon a comment where I said I really didn't like anything they had written, and happened to ask, "Why?" And my answer was how deeply incurious they were, and how incurious they invited their readers to be. This blogger never acknowledge the potential they might be wrong. Even as a nodding feint to fallibility as something we simply expect of people writing about any complex topic. That's what that article is like to me.

TimorousBestie 1y ago
I explicitly said it and every other example of the genre was biased, so I don’t know why you’re claiming otherwise. Thanks for confirming my priors on HN users. I said it was well-researched, which is true.

fellpie 1y ago

> But if you really are honestly curious and unbiased, M. K. Anderson wrote a well-researched article for Protean in 2022. He misrepresents Singal's writing, uses guilt-by-association smears, and focuses more on personal vilification of Singal than substantive critique. For example his claim that Singal's writing "endangers trans lives" is hyperbolic and unsupported. This is nothing more than a hit piece penned to destroy the heretic.

TimorousBestie 1y ago
> For example his claim that Singal's writing "endangers trans lives" is hyperbolic and unsupported. Partially due to Singal’s sensationalist journalism, trans people in the United States are about to lose access to some forms of healthcare—treatments that will remain accessible to cis people, like hormone replacement therapy. So I think history has vindicated this particular claim. I don’t expect you to agree, however. I am honored that you made an account just to respond to this! Welcome to HN.
- jazzyjackson 1y ago
  That's quite the leap of causation
  - TimorousBestie 1y ago
    https://commonslibrary.org/the-anti-trans-movement/ https://commonslibrary.org/the-anti-trans-movement/ Singal is part of the “Disinformation and Conversion” faction, as a promoter of so-called “rapid onset gender dysphoria.”
- Manuel_D 1y ago
  Couldn't it be possible that chemically altering minors isn't be best course of treatment? The UK, Finland, Italy, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway have all stopped routine prescription of puberty blockers to treat gender dysphoria on the grounds that their efficacy is not clear but the negative side effects are. It's extremely hard to claim the science is settled at this point. The allegations of harm seem to come from an a priori conclusion that these treatments are beneficial.
  - TimorousBestie 1y ago
    I welcome any novel, high-quality scientific research on better treatments for gender dysphoric children. But, in the States at least, there is no longer any funding for that. They cut all of it by grepping the NIH and NSF databases for “gender”, more or less. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/nih-terminating-active-research-grants-related-lgbtq-dei/story?id=119553232 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/nih-terminating-active-researc... What there soon will be in the States, assuming SCOTUS overturns the Colorado ban this term, is a renaissance of conversion therapy. If you abuse the child hard enough and long enough, they’ll have bigger problems than gender dysphoria or—coming up in the next wave of manufactured outrage—same-sex attraction. Hard to say that the “just asking questions” club has the child’s best interests at heart.

LexiMax 1y ago

Thanks. I'm well acquainted with Hacker News' proclivities for mob censorship, but I didn't know a ton about this specific incident.