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Why do you think we have fully self driving cars instead of just more simplistic beacon systems? Why doesn't McDonald's have a fully automated kitchen? New tec

Why do you think we have fully self driving cars instead of just more simplistic beacon systems? Why doesn't McDonald's have a fully automated kitchen? New technology is slow due to risk aversion, it's very rare for people to just tear up what they already have to re-implement new technology from the ground up. We always have to shoe-horn new technology into old systems to prove it first. There are just so many factors that get solved by working with what already exists.

layman51 1y ago
About your self-driving car point, I feel like the approach I'm seeing is akin to designing a humanoid robot that uses its robotic feet to control the brake and accelerator pedals, and its hand to move the gear selector.
- bonoboTP 1y ago
  Yeah, that would be pretty good honestly. It could immediately upgrade every car ever made to self driving and then it could also do your laundry without buying a new washing machine and everything else. It's just hard to do. But it will happen.
  - layman51 1y ago
    Yes, it sounds very cool and sci-fi, but having a humanoid control the car seems less safe than having the spinning cameras and other sensors that are missing from older cars or those that weren't specifically built to be self-driving. I suppose this is why even human drivers are assisted by automatic emergency braking. I am more leaning into the idea that an efficient self-driving car wouldn't even need to have a steering wheel, pedals, or thin pillars to help the passengers see the outside environment or be seen by pedestrians. The way this ties back to the computer use models is that a lot of webpages have stuff designed for humans would make it difficult for a model to navigate them well. I think this was the goal of the "semantic web".
    - jklinger410 1y ago
      > I am more leaning into the idea that an efficient self-driving car wouldn't even need to have a steering wheel, pedals We always make our way back to trains
  - viking123 1y ago
    By the time it happens you and me are probably under the ground.
- iAMkenough 1y ago
  I could add self-driving to my existing fleet? Sounds intriguing.
- jklinger410 1y ago
  Open Pilot (https://comma.ai/openpilot https://comma.ai/openpilot) connects to your cars brain and sends acceleration, turning, etc signals to drive the car for you. Both Open Pilot and Tesla FSD use regular cameras (ie. eyes) to try and understand the environment just as a human would. That is where my analogy is coming from. I could say the same about using a humanoid robot to log on to your computer and open chrome. My point is also that we made no changes to the road network to enable FSD.
alganet 1y ago
> Why do you think we have fully self driving cars instead of just more simplistic beacon systems? While the self-driving car industry aims to replace all humans with machines, I don't think this is the case with browser automation. I see this technology as more similar to a crash dummy than a self-driving system. It's designed to simulate a human in very niche scenarios.

layman51 1y ago

About your self-driving car point, I feel like the approach I'm seeing is akin to designing a humanoid robot that uses its robotic feet to control the brake and accelerator pedals, and its hand to move the gear selector.

bonoboTP 1y ago
Yeah, that would be pretty good honestly. It could immediately upgrade every car ever made to self driving and then it could also do your laundry without buying a new washing machine and everything else. It's just hard to do. But it will happen.
- layman51 1y ago
  Yes, it sounds very cool and sci-fi, but having a humanoid control the car seems less safe than having the spinning cameras and other sensors that are missing from older cars or those that weren't specifically built to be self-driving. I suppose this is why even human drivers are assisted by automatic emergency braking. I am more leaning into the idea that an efficient self-driving car wouldn't even need to have a steering wheel, pedals, or thin pillars to help the passengers see the outside environment or be seen by pedestrians. The way this ties back to the computer use models is that a lot of webpages have stuff designed for humans would make it difficult for a model to navigate them well. I think this was the goal of the "semantic web".
  - jklinger410 1y ago
    > I am more leaning into the idea that an efficient self-driving car wouldn't even need to have a steering wheel, pedals We always make our way back to trains
- viking123 1y ago
  By the time it happens you and me are probably under the ground.
iAMkenough 1y ago
I could add self-driving to my existing fleet? Sounds intriguing.
jklinger410 1y ago
Open Pilot (https://comma.ai/openpilot https://comma.ai/openpilot) connects to your cars brain and sends acceleration, turning, etc signals to drive the car for you. Both Open Pilot and Tesla FSD use regular cameras (ie. eyes) to try and understand the environment just as a human would. That is where my analogy is coming from. I could say the same about using a humanoid robot to log on to your computer and open chrome. My point is also that we made no changes to the road network to enable FSD.

alganet 1y ago

> Why do you think we have fully self driving cars instead of just more simplistic beacon systems? While the self-driving car industry aims to replace all humans with machines, I don't think this is the case with browser automation. I see this technology as more similar to a crash dummy than a self-driving system. It's designed to simulate a human in very niche scenarios.