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So call what they're doing 'wrong' not 'illegal'. The remedies for those two things are very different.

• softwaredoug 1y ago
  Well also a lot of what they're doing to enforce laws without warrants, arresting citizens without cause, lack of due process, etc is illegal. But a lot of this won't change without "active, provocative, non-violent" resistance as Gandhi would say.
  • coredog64 1y ago
    Out of curiosity, what makes "arresting citizens" illegal? If I'm in a crowd in the presence of a number of other law breakers, why would I think that I couldn't ever be temporarily detained? I mean, yes, it shouldn't be indefinite and there shouldn't be a high bar to clear to prove actual innocence, but we have process for this. I can be arrested without much provocation at all. I then have to be charged, I have the opportunity to enter a plea, get bail, and then I get a trial. All of that can (and does) happen to people who are legitimately innocent.
    • softwaredoug 1y ago
      I should have said "without cause" (now edited). Brown folks are detained randomly because they don't have their papers on them and "look Mexican".
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    • hitarpetar 1y ago
      due process
    • dragonwriter 1y ago
      > Out of curiosity, what makes "arresting citizens" illegal? Without probable cause? The Fourth Amendment. > shouldn't be a high bar to clear to prove actual innocence I see that you are comfortable with a presumption of guilt so long as the burden of proof of actual innocence isn’t too rigorous, but that’s exactly backwards.