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Conservative justices signal openness to allowing conversion therapy
- JumpCrisscross 1y agoCorrection: they’re open to banning states from restricting conversion therapy.
- amanaplanacanal 1y agoIsn't banning restrictions the same as allowing? What am I missing?
- wk_end 1y agoNo. “Allowing” still opens up the possibility for restrictions, it just means there isn’t a blanket prohibition. “Banning restrictions” means that everyone is forced to allow it.
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- plantwallshoe 1y agoWe need some consistency here. If you, your child, and your doctor all agree that taking hormones and puberty blockers is the best thing for them, it should be allowed. If you, your child, and your doctor all agree that the best thing for them is to take conversion therapy, then that should be allowed.
- mackeye 1y agowhat!? conversion therapy does not work. if you, your child, and your doctor all agree that the best thing for them is a lobotomy, should that be allowed?
- plantwallshoe 1y agoYeah probably
- NewJazz 1y agoHorrifically bad take.
- plantwallshoe 1y agoOh the better take is “my medically trained and board certified doctor says my kid needs a medical procedure but some 80 year old state congressman who needs his grandkids to unlock is iPhone says I shouldn’t, so I won’t”
- yawpitch 1y agoNo medically trained and board certified doctor that isn’t driven more by their hypocritical convictions than their Hypocratic oath has ever said a kid should be forced to engage in heterosexual activity against their will. If you have found a non-trained and never certified or licensed effectively voodoo practitioner willing to make that sort of utterly immoral and malign recommendation, then you’ve sought them out because you’re just as or more delusional than they are.
- plantwallshoe 1y ago> against their will I’ll refer you to my comment that you’re replying to. “If you, your child, and your doctor all agree…” The counselor in the Supreme Court case is a certified Licensed Professional Counselor by the state of Colorado.
- yawpitch 1y agoActually, the comment I replied to was: > Oh the better take is “my medically trained and board certified doctor says my kid needs a medical procedure but some 80 year old state congressman who needs his grandkids to unlock is iPhone says I shouldn’t, so I won’t” I was specifically addressing the “medically trained and board certified doctor”, and you’re coming back at me with an LPC… an LPC is many things, but three things they almost never are are a) medically trained, b) certified by any medical board, or c) a medical doctor. Except in the most lunatic of states they are neither qualified to, nor legally allowed to, prescribe any medical treatment or intervention, they can only provide (in this case, bad and entirely unhelpful) psychotherapy. Lastly, if you, your child, and your “doctor” all agree that “pray the gay away” is a good idea, you and your “doctor” are both completely delusional and guilty of child abuse, while your child is absolutely a victim of that abuse.
- bediger4000 1y agoWith all due respect, observing a lack of consistency usually means that a "hidden variable" remains to be discovered. Perhaps if we take a holistic view of recent SCOTUS decisions, we could apprehend a hidden variable or two. I conjecture that conservative culture war topics are the hidden variable(s) and that the Roberts Court is forcing a conservative view on all these issues, whether there's a constitutional, logical, or precedent reason or not.