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The law enforcement of which countries, under which sets of laws? Should Thailand be granted access to enforce their lease majeste laws, for example? https://e

by ori_b 1y ago

The law enforcement of which countries, under which sets of laws? Should Thailand be granted access to enforce their lease majeste laws, for example? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9_in_Thailand https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9_in_Th... Who gets to decide what gets made available to who?

pona-a 1y ago
I’ll go a step further: if EU sovereigns claim the right to “lawfully intercept” their citizens' private communications, why shouldn’t every state enjoy the same privilege? Russia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Uganda will be exemplary custodians of such technology. You have nothing to fear, citizen: their democratic constitutions and impeccable legal codes will protect you.
ZeroConcerns 1y ago
> law enforcement of which countries, under which sets of laws? We're taking about ChatControl here, so law enforcement of EU countries, under their respective laws, into which EU law should have been incorporated > Should Thailand be granted access to enforce their lease majeste laws Same answer as "should Thailand be granted arrest rights to enforce <whatever>": they submit a legal assistance request to the country where the alleged crime occurred. In the case of a lawful interception request for "lease[sic] majeste" reasons, I'm pretty sure this would be immediately rejected. But, if not, the EU subject of such interception would have lots and lots of avenues to get redress. Again, and I'm getting sort of tired from repeating myself: "lawful interception" does not mean "indiscriminate surveillance at the whim of whomever" -- it is a well-defined concept that has been used to determine which telegrams and mail pieces to open and which telephone calls to record for ages now. Your country absolutely does it, as we speak, no matter where you live. It's just that modern technology has far outpaced the scope of this legislation, and things like ChatControl are (incompetent) responses to that. ChatControl is not a good idea, and has very little chance of becoming reality. But to stop dumb proposals like this from coming up over and over again, something has got to give.
- ori_b 1y ago
  And when some other countries pass laws demanding access to the same mechanism that the EU gets?

by ori_b 1y ago

pona-a 1y ago

I’ll go a step further: if EU sovereigns claim the right to “lawfully intercept” their citizens' private communications, why shouldn’t every state enjoy the same privilege? Russia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Uganda will be exemplary custodians of such technology. You have nothing to fear, citizen: their democratic constitutions and impeccable legal codes will protect you.

ZeroConcerns 1y ago

> law enforcement of which countries, under which sets of laws? We're taking about ChatControl here, so law enforcement of EU countries, under their respective laws, into which EU law should have been incorporated > Should Thailand be granted access to enforce their lease majeste laws Same answer as "should Thailand be granted arrest rights to enforce <whatever>": they submit a legal assistance request to the country where the alleged crime occurred. In the case of a lawful interception request for "lease[sic] majeste" reasons, I'm pretty sure this would be immediately rejected. But, if not, the EU subject of such interception would have lots and lots of avenues to get redress. Again, and I'm getting sort of tired from repeating myself: "lawful interception" does not mean "indiscriminate surveillance at the whim of whomever" -- it is a well-defined concept that has been used to determine which telegrams and mail pieces to open and which telephone calls to record for ages now. Your country absolutely does it, as we speak, no matter where you live. It's just that modern technology has far outpaced the scope of this legislation, and things like ChatControl are (incompetent) responses to that. ChatControl is not a good idea, and has very little chance of becoming reality. But to stop dumb proposals like this from coming up over and over again, something has got to give.

ori_b 1y ago
And when some other countries pass laws demanding access to the same mechanism that the EU gets?