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Huge disconnect between these narratives: - Crime is out of control, requiring deployment of active duty military to multiple cities. - Police are so bored th

by runako 1y ago

Huge disconnect between these narratives: - Crime is out of control, requiring deployment of active duty military to multiple cities. - Police are so bored they are sifting through security cameras on fishing expeditions to maybe find someone accessing medical care.

RandomBacon 1y ago
Those are not mutually exclusive.
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  I’m not sure that I buy that argument but either way the data clearly shows crime has fallen consistently over the decades. Even over the last couple of years. This narrative that cities (of course only Democrat-dominated cities) are so crime ridden that they are basically under siege is completely manufactured. The governor of my state went out of his way to ask Trump to come crack down on a few cities (all overwhelmingly or somewhat leaning blue) despite drastic drops in crime rates over the last five years. Ignoring the fact that he is the governor and has a super majority Republican legislature, meaning that ultimately he is saying “daddy Trump come save me I can’t do my job uwu,” he also very conspicuously left his home city off the list despite it sharing a similar population size and crime rate as another major city on the list. It’s all a sham. The data does not bear their message out.
mrguyorama 1y ago
There actually doesn't have to be a disconnect between the narratives. It could be possible that crime is out of control because police are doing these things instead of their actual job. Compare the efforts police will go through to play with their toys vs the efforts they will go through to actually solve crime. Despite living in a literal panopticon where the cops can buy infinite tracking information on anyone and even on just a query, violent crime clearance rates are abysmal. Police just don't do their jobs. edit: I do not actually believe crime is out of control, because it is not. I believe that cops are bad actors and liars.
- titzer 1y ago
  Narrator: crime was not, in fact, out of control. https://projects.csgjusticecenter.org/tools-for-states-to-address-crime/50-state-crime-data/ https://projects.csgjusticecenter.org/tools-for-states-to-ad...
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- runako 1y ago
  > Police just don't do their jobs. So naturally, our police budgets increase every year.
stocksinsmocks 1y ago
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- sofixa 1y ago
  > post-partum abortion What the fuck are you talking about?
- runako 1y ago
  Sigh. I really do not want to get into the politicized language around abortion. Especially in this specific case, where we do not know many relevant facts. Let's just use the language in the police report: > the abortion/miscarriage Presumably that is neutral enough? Back to my original point, which is that crime is not out of control. You say that > Police believed they had identified a crime and investigated it which is at odds with what the police say: > No charges were ever filed against the woman and she was never under criminal investigation by Johnson County. I am guessing the police have more information about this than you do. The police creeped on a woman, invaded her extremely personal business, wrote reports about it with knowledge those reports could become public, without any of it being in service of crime reduction. Edit: I'm not fully up-to-date on the law, but my understanding is that there is no justiciable crime in Texas around a woman herself terminating a pregnancy using medical means. Police could have witnessed her consuming the medication and there still would be nothing to charge as no crime would have occurred.
thrance 1y ago
Crime is actually at its lowest point in 40 years, but you wouldn't know it looking at the constant fearmongering by legacy media and conservative politicians alike.
- runako 1y ago
  As a person old enough to remember the War on Drugs, I can agree that people who think things are worse now must have spent the late '80s/early '90s sheltering in libraries or something.
  - 542354234235 1y ago
    It was also before the "if it bleeds, it leads" explosion of crime reporting starting in the 90s.

by runako 1y ago

RandomBacon 1y ago

Those are not mutually exclusive.

Forgeties79 1y ago
I’m not sure that I buy that argument but either way the data clearly shows crime has fallen consistently over the decades. Even over the last couple of years. This narrative that cities (of course only Democrat-dominated cities) are so crime ridden that they are basically under siege is completely manufactured. The governor of my state went out of his way to ask Trump to come crack down on a few cities (all overwhelmingly or somewhat leaning blue) despite drastic drops in crime rates over the last five years. Ignoring the fact that he is the governor and has a super majority Republican legislature, meaning that ultimately he is saying “daddy Trump come save me I can’t do my job uwu,” he also very conspicuously left his home city off the list despite it sharing a similar population size and crime rate as another major city on the list. It’s all a sham. The data does not bear their message out.

mrguyorama 1y ago

There actually doesn't have to be a disconnect between the narratives. It could be possible that crime is out of control because police are doing these things instead of their actual job. Compare the efforts police will go through to play with their toys vs the efforts they will go through to actually solve crime. Despite living in a literal panopticon where the cops can buy infinite tracking information on anyone and even on just a query, violent crime clearance rates are abysmal. Police just don't do their jobs. edit: I do not actually believe crime is out of control, because it is not. I believe that cops are bad actors and liars.

titzer 1y ago
Narrator: crime was not, in fact, out of control. https://projects.csgjusticecenter.org/tools-for-states-to-address-crime/50-state-crime-data/ https://projects.csgjusticecenter.org/tools-for-states-to-ad...
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runako 1y ago
> Police just don't do their jobs. So naturally, our police budgets increase every year.

stocksinsmocks 1y ago

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sofixa 1y ago
> post-partum abortion What the fuck are you talking about?
runako 1y ago
Sigh. I really do not want to get into the politicized language around abortion. Especially in this specific case, where we do not know many relevant facts. Let's just use the language in the police report: > the abortion/miscarriage Presumably that is neutral enough? Back to my original point, which is that crime is not out of control. You say that > Police believed they had identified a crime and investigated it which is at odds with what the police say: > No charges were ever filed against the woman and she was never under criminal investigation by Johnson County. I am guessing the police have more information about this than you do. The police creeped on a woman, invaded her extremely personal business, wrote reports about it with knowledge those reports could become public, without any of it being in service of crime reduction. Edit: I'm not fully up-to-date on the law, but my understanding is that there is no justiciable crime in Texas around a woman herself terminating a pregnancy using medical means. Police could have witnessed her consuming the medication and there still would be nothing to charge as no crime would have occurred.

thrance 1y ago

Crime is actually at its lowest point in 40 years, but you wouldn't know it looking at the constant fearmongering by legacy media and conservative politicians alike.

runako 1y ago
As a person old enough to remember the War on Drugs, I can agree that people who think things are worse now must have spent the late '80s/early '90s sheltering in libraries or something.
- 542354234235 1y ago
  It was also before the "if it bleeds, it leads" explosion of crime reporting starting in the 90s.