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Production rates are subject to change. China is showing it wants to move towards a future where it emits less CO2 and the US recently elected and appointed cro

Production rates are subject to change. China is showing it wants to move towards a future where it emits less CO2 and the US recently elected and appointed cronies to take us in the opposite direction.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
CO2 emissions by country: China vs US. Number only.
- DangitBobby 1y ago
  No idea, if you read my comment you'd understand that's not what I think matters.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    That is not a serious position, that is a political position.
    - DangitBobby 1y ago
      Ok lol
- tonfa 1y ago
  https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/which-countries-have-contributed-the-most-to-historical-co-emissions https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/which-countries-hav... I would be surprised if China ends up dumping more CO2 than the US (and then if we look at per capita, even more so).
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    CO2 since 1750! This isn't serious. Who is currently today doing the thing? china Does the climate care about per capita? no
    - tonfa 1y ago
      What matters is how much CO2 was dumped in the atmosphere (and to stop doing it, China is transitioning, the US administration tells everyone it's a scam...)
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        It doesn't matter because it's done. There is nothing we can do about it, only about the present. China is presently the worst CO2 emitter.
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    - triceratops 1y ago
      > CO2 since 1750! This isn't serious. Who is currently today doing the thing? > Does the climate care about per capita? It does care about CO2 since 1750 though because that CO2 never went away. It's at least as important as, if not more than "Who is currently today doing the thing?"
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        No. The incremental CO2 is what is harming us. We're already experiencing the effects of 1750 to present. What happens from now on will incrementally deteriorate the climate.
    - maxglute 1y ago
      Total historic emissions is the ONLY serious metric. Since it accounts for all capital buildouts, it takes centuries of emission heavy construction to get developed countries where they are. Countries are going to emit more when they're in steel and concrete phase of nation building. Does climate care about emissions? Does climate care about changing? No. Climate doesn't care it cycles back to ice age. Humans (hypothetically) care about climate change. It's a fundmentally a geo-political problem, which means the solution is geopolitically agreed on metric. Currently it rhetorically per capita, but arguably it should be historic per capita, because per capita itself is geopolitic concession metric that shifts responsibility away from historic carbon debt of developed nations towards developing nations.
- triceratops 1y ago
  > China vs US. Number only. China: down 2.7% this year US: up 4.2%. That's total, not per-capita. Try some other excuses to do nothing about climate change. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    -2.7% to what total amount? +4.2% to what total amount? This obscures the numbers. The climate doesn't care about improvement, only about total tons of CO2.
    - triceratops 1y ago
      It's obvious you don't believe a word of whatever you're saying all over this comment thread. Especially > The climate doesn't care about improvement, only about total tons of CO2 Given how easily you pooh-poohed cumulative historical emissions in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45509432 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45509432. The climate also cares about all carbon, past and present. Not just the carbon emitted by China specifically today on October 7, 2025, as you keep repeating. (Only current emissions matter, right? So even China's emissions yesterday and the day before are meaningless). All of your arguments are extremely in bad faith. I don't understand why you're doing this though. What do you gain? Is it just about "China bad"? Or about denying the developed world's responsibility for climate change? Or is it for the pleasure of trolling? Please help me understand what's going through your mind.
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        This thread is highlighting that climate change initiatives are about harming the West in favor of everyone else. China is by far the biggest carbon emitter. People try to obscure that through "per capita" and "historical cumulative" figures and "percentage improvement". The way people contort themselves to protect China, the mega-emitter is laughable. They improved 2.7%!! So they went from 31% to 30.92% of total manmade CO2? You're not serious about the climate, you just want to punish the US/West.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago

CO2 emissions by country: China vs US. Number only.

DangitBobby 1y ago
No idea, if you read my comment you'd understand that's not what I think matters.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  That is not a serious position, that is a political position.
  - DangitBobby 1y ago
    Ok lol
tonfa 1y ago
https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/which-countries-have-contributed-the-most-to-historical-co-emissions https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/which-countries-hav... I would be surprised if China ends up dumping more CO2 than the US (and then if we look at per capita, even more so).
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  CO2 since 1750! This isn't serious. Who is currently today doing the thing? china Does the climate care about per capita? no
  - tonfa 1y ago
    What matters is how much CO2 was dumped in the atmosphere (and to stop doing it, China is transitioning, the US administration tells everyone it's a scam...)
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      It doesn't matter because it's done. There is nothing we can do about it, only about the present. China is presently the worst CO2 emitter.
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  - triceratops 1y ago
    > CO2 since 1750! This isn't serious. Who is currently today doing the thing? > Does the climate care about per capita? It does care about CO2 since 1750 though because that CO2 never went away. It's at least as important as, if not more than "Who is currently today doing the thing?"
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      No. The incremental CO2 is what is harming us. We're already experiencing the effects of 1750 to present. What happens from now on will incrementally deteriorate the climate.
  - maxglute 1y ago
    Total historic emissions is the ONLY serious metric. Since it accounts for all capital buildouts, it takes centuries of emission heavy construction to get developed countries where they are. Countries are going to emit more when they're in steel and concrete phase of nation building. Does climate care about emissions? Does climate care about changing? No. Climate doesn't care it cycles back to ice age. Humans (hypothetically) care about climate change. It's a fundmentally a geo-political problem, which means the solution is geopolitically agreed on metric. Currently it rhetorically per capita, but arguably it should be historic per capita, because per capita itself is geopolitic concession metric that shifts responsibility away from historic carbon debt of developed nations towards developing nations.
triceratops 1y ago
> China vs US. Number only. China: down 2.7% this year US: up 4.2%. That's total, not per-capita. Try some other excuses to do nothing about climate change. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  -2.7% to what total amount? +4.2% to what total amount? This obscures the numbers. The climate doesn't care about improvement, only about total tons of CO2.
  - triceratops 1y ago
    It's obvious you don't believe a word of whatever you're saying all over this comment thread. Especially > The climate doesn't care about improvement, only about total tons of CO2 Given how easily you pooh-poohed cumulative historical emissions in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45509432 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45509432. The climate also cares about all carbon, past and present. Not just the carbon emitted by China specifically today on October 7, 2025, as you keep repeating. (Only current emissions matter, right? So even China's emissions yesterday and the day before are meaningless). All of your arguments are extremely in bad faith. I don't understand why you're doing this though. What do you gain? Is it just about "China bad"? Or about denying the developed world's responsibility for climate change? Or is it for the pleasure of trolling? Please help me understand what's going through your mind.
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      This thread is highlighting that climate change initiatives are about harming the West in favor of everyone else. China is by far the biggest carbon emitter. People try to obscure that through "per capita" and "historical cumulative" figures and "percentage improvement". The way people contort themselves to protect China, the mega-emitter is laughable. They improved 2.7%!! So they went from 31% to 30.92% of total manmade CO2? You're not serious about the climate, you just want to punish the US/West.