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Considering America is literally promoting fossil fuels over renewables and the US administration is publicly saying climate change is a scam, I think America d

Considering America is literally promoting fossil fuels over renewables and the US administration is publicly saying climate change is a scam, I think America deserves more flack than China here

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
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- DangitBobby 1y ago
  Production rates are subject to change. China is showing it wants to move towards a future where it emits less CO2 and the US recently elected and appointed cronies to take us in the opposite direction.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    CO2 emissions by country: China vs US. Number only.
    - DangitBobby 1y ago
      No idea, if you read my comment you'd understand that's not what I think matters.
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        That is not a serious position, that is a political position.
        DangitBobby 1y ago
        Ok lol
    - tonfa 1y ago
      https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/which-countries-have-contributed-the-most-to-historical-co-emissions https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/which-countries-hav... I would be surprised if China ends up dumping more CO2 than the US (and then if we look at per capita, even more so).
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        CO2 since 1750! This isn't serious. Who is currently today doing the thing? china Does the climate care about per capita? no
        tonfa 1y ago
        What matters is how much CO2 was dumped in the atmosphere (and to stop doing it, China is transitioning, the US administration tells everyone it's a scam...)
        ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        It doesn't matter because it's done. There is nothing we can do about it, only about the present. China is presently the worst CO2 emitter.
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        triceratops 1y ago
        > CO2 since 1750! This isn't serious. Who is currently today doing the thing? > Does the climate care about per capita? It does care about CO2 since 1750 though because that CO2 never went away. It's at least as important as, if not more than "Who is currently today doing the thing?"
        ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        No. The incremental CO2 is what is harming us. We're already experiencing the effects of 1750 to present. What happens from now on will incrementally deteriorate the climate.
    - triceratops 1y ago
      > China vs US. Number only. China: down 2.7% this year US: up 4.2%. That's total, not per-capita. Try some other excuses to do nothing about climate change. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        -2.7% to what total amount? +4.2% to what total amount? This obscures the numbers. The climate doesn't care about improvement, only about total tons of CO2.
        triceratops 1y ago
        It's obvious you don't believe a word of whatever you're saying all over this comment thread. Especially > The climate doesn't care about improvement, only about total tons of CO2 Given how easily you pooh-poohed cumulative historical emissions in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45509432 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45509432. The climate also cares about all carbon, past and present. Not just the carbon emitted by China specifically today on October 7, 2025, as you keep repeating. (Only current emissions matter, right? So even China's emissions yesterday and the day before are meaningless). All of your arguments are extremely in bad faith. I don't understand why you're doing this though. What do you gain? Is it just about "China bad"? Or about denying the developed world's responsibility for climate change? Or is it for the pleasure of trolling? Please help me understand what's going through your mind.
        ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        This thread is highlighting that climate change initiatives are about harming the West in favor of everyone else. China is by far the biggest carbon emitter. People try to obscure that through "per capita" and "historical cumulative" figures and "percentage improvement". The way people contort themselves to protect China, the mega-emitter is laughable. They improved 2.7%!! So they went from 31% to 30.92% of total manmade CO2? You're not serious about the climate, you just want to punish the US/West.
- simmerup 1y ago
  > In 2024, the U.S. emissions were on the rise, whereas the European Union (EU) was decreasing its emissions. The U.S. contributes about 13.5% of global annual emissions, whereas the EU's share has fallen to approximately 6%. I don't even understand what you're tyring to say, America is taking climate change seriously in your eyes?

Considering America is literally promoting fossil fuels over renewables and the US administration is publicly saying climate change is a scam, I think America deserves more flack than China here

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago

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DangitBobby 1y ago
Production rates are subject to change. China is showing it wants to move towards a future where it emits less CO2 and the US recently elected and appointed cronies to take us in the opposite direction.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  CO2 emissions by country: China vs US. Number only.
  - DangitBobby 1y ago
    No idea, if you read my comment you'd understand that's not what I think matters.
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      That is not a serious position, that is a political position.
      - DangitBobby 1y ago
        Ok lol
  - tonfa 1y ago
    https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/which-countries-have-contributed-the-most-to-historical-co-emissions https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/which-countries-hav... I would be surprised if China ends up dumping more CO2 than the US (and then if we look at per capita, even more so).
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      CO2 since 1750! This isn't serious. Who is currently today doing the thing? china Does the climate care about per capita? no
      - tonfa 1y ago
        What matters is how much CO2 was dumped in the atmosphere (and to stop doing it, China is transitioning, the US administration tells everyone it's a scam...)
        ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        It doesn't matter because it's done. There is nothing we can do about it, only about the present. China is presently the worst CO2 emitter.
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      - triceratops 1y ago
        > CO2 since 1750! This isn't serious. Who is currently today doing the thing? > Does the climate care about per capita? It does care about CO2 since 1750 though because that CO2 never went away. It's at least as important as, if not more than "Who is currently today doing the thing?"
        ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        No. The incremental CO2 is what is harming us. We're already experiencing the effects of 1750 to present. What happens from now on will incrementally deteriorate the climate.
  - triceratops 1y ago
    > China vs US. Number only. China: down 2.7% this year US: up 4.2%. That's total, not per-capita. Try some other excuses to do nothing about climate change. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      -2.7% to what total amount? +4.2% to what total amount? This obscures the numbers. The climate doesn't care about improvement, only about total tons of CO2.
      - triceratops 1y ago
        It's obvious you don't believe a word of whatever you're saying all over this comment thread. Especially > The climate doesn't care about improvement, only about total tons of CO2 Given how easily you pooh-poohed cumulative historical emissions in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45509432 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45509432. The climate also cares about all carbon, past and present. Not just the carbon emitted by China specifically today on October 7, 2025, as you keep repeating. (Only current emissions matter, right? So even China's emissions yesterday and the day before are meaningless). All of your arguments are extremely in bad faith. I don't understand why you're doing this though. What do you gain? Is it just about "China bad"? Or about denying the developed world's responsibility for climate change? Or is it for the pleasure of trolling? Please help me understand what's going through your mind.
        ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        This thread is highlighting that climate change initiatives are about harming the West in favor of everyone else. China is by far the biggest carbon emitter. People try to obscure that through "per capita" and "historical cumulative" figures and "percentage improvement". The way people contort themselves to protect China, the mega-emitter is laughable. They improved 2.7%!! So they went from 31% to 30.92% of total manmade CO2? You're not serious about the climate, you just want to punish the US/West.
simmerup 1y ago
> In 2024, the U.S. emissions were on the rise, whereas the European Union (EU) was decreasing its emissions. The U.S. contributes about 13.5% of global annual emissions, whereas the EU's share has fallen to approximately 6%. I don't even understand what you're tyring to say, America is taking climate change seriously in your eyes?