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This seems like a pretty fair system, they do get to do it on unrealistic practically new vehicles, but they also can’t take any practical shortcuts whatsoever.
by MichaelZuo 1y ago
This seems like a pretty fair system, they do get to do it on unrealistic practically new vehicles, but they also can’t take any practical shortcuts whatsoever.
Is there any proposal for some alternate way determining it?
- wcunning 1y agoThe impression I got from seeing the demonstration was that this was the result of years of negotiating and arguing to get to something fair. Ford doesn't love it, dealers don't love it, but no one can really come up with a major improvement.
- alsetmusic 1y agoCalvin and Hobbes: "A good compromise leaves everybody mad." https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9cGKql0Wk1A/TrAJTrDoxxI/AAAAAAAAAnU/C9oRNyRysf4/s1600/98f65c02250b102d94d7001438c0f03b.gif https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9cGKql0Wk1A/TrAJTrDoxxI/AAAAAAAAA...
- rootusrootus 1y agoI say something like this to my kids when I'm tired of mediating and I want them to solve their own disagreements. "My definition of success is that you are both crying after I've made my decision." (for the record, I did not have this policy when they were toddlers, only as tweens; I'm not a monster)
- watwut 1y agoSuch policies encourage bad behaviour - being reasonable makes it guaranteed you loose against unreasonable.
- i_am_jl 1y agoIf the article is to be believed Ford has changed how book time is calculated considering they're paying 36 minutes for a job that requires removing the cab.
- rootusrootus 1y ago> If the article is to be believed I don't. Someone is lying.
- i_am_jl 1y agoI'm also skeptical. I suspect that book time for this varies wildly depending on drivetrain config.
- cyanydeez 1y agoHYou think it might be the CEO? No, couldn't be, surely someone paid 100s of times their employees would be honest about something he has no real experience doing.
- rootusrootus 1y agoI think it is either the journalist, or the guy she interviewed. I know how Ford sets book time. Their methodology, while perhaps biased towards optimistic estimates, is not ever going to put cab R&R at under an hour. Charitably, someone is mistaken. But given that these numbers are core to the argument being made, I find it odd that the claims were not vetted at all. It takes almost no effort to find example R&R times for various Ford pickups, and they're all measured in hours. It's not hard, typically 6-10 bolts depending on the model. But even with bulk electrical connectors, no rust, the right tools, and experience, the process takes more than an hour.
- cyanydeez 1y agoSmells like CEO in here.
- MarkMarine 1y agoThe fact that you need to take the cab off to do an oil pan gasket should set off some alarm bells for how maintainable these vehicles are.
- rambambram 1y agoA fair system? This is nothing more than theater, necessary to get cheap labor. What about giving mechanics an hourly rate, just like the rest of the world?
- akoboldfrying 1y agoA person achieved that time to do the work. What is theatre about that? An hourly rate punishes mechanics who work fast, don't you think?
- laughing_man 1y agoThe book time provides consistency within and across dealerships. Would you accept paying twice as much for a repair if they assigned a new mechanic to your job? The one thing I've heard consistently from people in that business is "You won't last long if you can't beat the book," something experienced mechanics do on a regular basis.