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I really do think that this type of AI use is going to become a true life/death epidemic. The people at Deloitte are not generally dumb unmotivated people. The

I really do think that this type of AI use is going to become a true life/death epidemic. The people at Deloitte are not generally dumb unmotivated people. They are ruthless $$ chasers and if AI is allowed they will use it to check the boxes and move onto the next paycheck. Many of these people will effectively have their life ruined. Many will likely take their own life. Its not just harmless paperwork fudging when it results in men with guns being dispatched.

OkayPhysicist 1y ago
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- hooverd 1y ago
  what's that anecdote about the stupid and industrious?
- citizenpaul 1y ago
  I wouldn't say they are all "smart." Of the random employees from there I've had to deal with. I would not call any of them dumb is all maybe I've been lucky?
- deleted 1y ago
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- jmorenoamor 1y ago
  I need that in a tshirt, or a mug, or a billboard.
- mgh2 1y ago
  https://archive.ph/0fi0K https://archive.ph/0fi0K Source: tons of references at end https://medium.com/@trendguardian/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e https://medium.com/@trendguardian/why-we-are-dispensable-7a5...
  - citizenpaul 1y ago
    I'm not a fan of "consultants" at all. In my experinance all they ever do is either muck things up by black boxing the thing they were paid to do. Or more often simply leave a huge list of "you should do this" that will be $500k, and then leave. What I've heard as a counter to their uselessness is that they function as a sort of legal corporate espionage. You should do this because my other customer that I cant name but I'll just call Mr.Faang is also doing that.
    - OkayPhysicist 1y ago
      You missed their primary purpose: To provide cover for whatever half-assed idea an exec came up with. If the CEO of my automobile company wakes up one morning with the zany idea to cut costs by only including 3 wheels with the purchase of a car, if he just goes ahead and does it, the investors will call for his head when customers stop buying our cars and instead purchase our four-wheeled compeitors. But if our CEO hires Deloitte, they'll make a bunch of reports and excel sheets that show why 3 wheels are the best idea ever. If he wanted to add an extra wheel, there'd be a bunch of reports on the superiority of 5 tires. If he decides to switch back, hire the consultants, they'll dutifully report on how 4 tires was the right amount all along. It's all just an accountability shell game.
      - citizenpaul 1y ago
        Ah yes the un-accountability machine at work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unaccountability_Machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unaccountability_Machine I do like this take. I'm a cynic at the core but I've been trying to see the slightly less cynical side of things lately. > they'll make a bunch of reports and excel sheets Reminds me of a dilbert comic where he says the excel sheet is full of errors and incorrect data but it doesn't matter because no one will look at it again unless it reinforces a decision mgmt has already made.
- stogot 1y ago
  Consulting (good consulting anyways) requires the skill of teaching, so this doesn’t ring true. The adage is “those that can’t do, manage” which isn’t factual either
bluefirebrand 1y ago
> The people at Deloitte are not generally dumb unmotivated people Dumb and highly motivated, then?
- riffraff 1y ago
  I'm pretty sure they're very motivated to make money.
rainonmoon 1y ago
It already is a life/death epidemic. An extremely similar automated decision making scandal to the one OP is referring to led to people's deaths: https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2030-people-have-died-after-receiving-centrelink-robodebt-notice/10821272 https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2030-people-hav....
roncesvalles 1y ago
>The people at Deloitte are not generally dumb unmotivated people. You end up consulting at Deloitte when you can't get into MBB, any of the smaller boutique firms, strategy at big corporations etc. Accountants are an exception but they're only there to pad their resume before exiting to corporate in-house finance roles that lead to CFO positions. Deloitte is to outsourced business consulting what Infosys is to outsourced software development.
- caminante 1y ago
  I've found that the MBB > Big4 trope has largely disappeared (Look at comp at Partner and N-2 levels.) MBB still has an edge for general management consulting, but I see demand dwindling, despite the annual occurrence of a middle eastern sovereign wealth fund paying $100M for a study to build a wind powered ice skating rink on top of a helicopter pad.

OkayPhysicist 1y ago

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hooverd 1y ago
what's that anecdote about the stupid and industrious?
citizenpaul 1y ago
I wouldn't say they are all "smart." Of the random employees from there I've had to deal with. I would not call any of them dumb is all maybe I've been lucky?
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jmorenoamor 1y ago
I need that in a tshirt, or a mug, or a billboard.
mgh2 1y ago
https://archive.ph/0fi0K https://archive.ph/0fi0K Source: tons of references at end https://medium.com/@trendguardian/why-we-are-dispensable-7a577eba4f3e https://medium.com/@trendguardian/why-we-are-dispensable-7a5...
- citizenpaul 1y ago
  I'm not a fan of "consultants" at all. In my experinance all they ever do is either muck things up by black boxing the thing they were paid to do. Or more often simply leave a huge list of "you should do this" that will be $500k, and then leave. What I've heard as a counter to their uselessness is that they function as a sort of legal corporate espionage. You should do this because my other customer that I cant name but I'll just call Mr.Faang is also doing that.
  - OkayPhysicist 1y ago
    You missed their primary purpose: To provide cover for whatever half-assed idea an exec came up with. If the CEO of my automobile company wakes up one morning with the zany idea to cut costs by only including 3 wheels with the purchase of a car, if he just goes ahead and does it, the investors will call for his head when customers stop buying our cars and instead purchase our four-wheeled compeitors. But if our CEO hires Deloitte, they'll make a bunch of reports and excel sheets that show why 3 wheels are the best idea ever. If he wanted to add an extra wheel, there'd be a bunch of reports on the superiority of 5 tires. If he decides to switch back, hire the consultants, they'll dutifully report on how 4 tires was the right amount all along. It's all just an accountability shell game.
    - citizenpaul 1y ago
      Ah yes the un-accountability machine at work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unaccountability_Machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unaccountability_Machine I do like this take. I'm a cynic at the core but I've been trying to see the slightly less cynical side of things lately. > they'll make a bunch of reports and excel sheets Reminds me of a dilbert comic where he says the excel sheet is full of errors and incorrect data but it doesn't matter because no one will look at it again unless it reinforces a decision mgmt has already made.
stogot 1y ago
Consulting (good consulting anyways) requires the skill of teaching, so this doesn’t ring true. The adage is “those that can’t do, manage” which isn’t factual either

bluefirebrand 1y ago

> The people at Deloitte are not generally dumb unmotivated people Dumb and highly motivated, then?

riffraff 1y ago
I'm pretty sure they're very motivated to make money.

rainonmoon 1y ago

It already is a life/death epidemic. An extremely similar automated decision making scandal to the one OP is referring to led to people's deaths: https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2030-people-have-died-after-receiving-centrelink-robodebt-notice/10821272 https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2030-people-hav....

roncesvalles 1y ago

>The people at Deloitte are not generally dumb unmotivated people. You end up consulting at Deloitte when you can't get into MBB, any of the smaller boutique firms, strategy at big corporations etc. Accountants are an exception but they're only there to pad their resume before exiting to corporate in-house finance roles that lead to CFO positions. Deloitte is to outsourced business consulting what Infosys is to outsourced software development.

caminante 1y ago
I've found that the MBB > Big4 trope has largely disappeared (Look at comp at Partner and N-2 levels.) MBB still has an edge for general management consulting, but I see demand dwindling, despite the annual occurrence of a middle eastern sovereign wealth fund paying $100M for a study to build a wind powered ice skating rink on top of a helicopter pad.