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Huge win for US high school and college students. Not so good for bloated college administrations.

HDThoreaun 1y ago
Zero sum ass mentality. Top performing international students are likely to start companies and create jobs which is great for US high school and college students.
- chucksta 1y ago
  Are top performing US students less likely to start companies and create jobs than international?
  - HDThoreaun 1y ago
    1. No evidence but imo probably. Immigrants are by their nature entrepunerial go getters, thats how they got here. 2. Top performing US students arent being crowded out by international students anyway.
    - chucksta 1y ago
      What about the first US child from a family of immigrants?
      - HDThoreaun 1y ago
        What about them? Competent domestic students are not being crowded out by international students. Competent domestic workers are not being crowded out by immigrants. The opposite is happening, immigrants create new opportunities for natives out of thin air. That doesnt mean that natives dont, they both do.
        chucksta 1y ago
        Was just curious how you thought they ranked compared to the others since you had an opinion
        HDThoreaun 1y ago
        An interesting thought. I think parents who work to instill an entrepreneurial mindset into their children are more likely to end up with entrepreneurial minded children. Whether immigrants do that Im not sure. Maybe they want their kids to have an easier/simpler life than they did
  - esalman 1y ago
    Objectively yes. Immigrants make up 14% of the population but start more than 20% of businesses. 44% of fortune 500 companies are founded by immigrants or their children. Steve Jobs' dad was a Syrian immigrant student. Elon Musk was on F1, J1, and H1B visa.
  - more_corn 1y ago
    Yes. Look at the top ten tech companies. Their founders were foreign born and in cases where they weren’t they’re children of foreign born immigrants.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  Sorry I don't believe you.
mempko 1y ago
Some of my favorite people to meet in college were foreign students. You get to meet diverse people and learn about the world. It's only a win if college is 20% cheaper this year. It's not.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  What is the cost of "meeting diverse people" and can the average US student afford that. Every benefit must be judged by its cost.
  - yongjik 1y ago
    Now that full-tuition-paying international students are gone, the average US students will have even harder time affording that. Congratulations.
  - ModernMech 1y ago
    Foreign money coming in will have to be made up elsewhere. It will be made up by raising tuition on remaining students. Schools that have a small enough applicant pool will price out their applicants and close. Likely they will be replaced by for-profit grifts that are much more affordable but don't actually do anything for the students except bilk them. The largest most international most diverse most administratively bloated schools will be fine. It's the small mostly-white rural colleges that will suffer the most.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    > What is the cost of "meeting diverse people"… In this case, it's self-funding. International students subsidize much cheaper in-state tuition.
addicted 1y ago
Student enrollment in the US is declining and the big problem for colleges the past few years has been a worry about not having enough students. So it's not clear why US students were struggling to get a college spot. And if you mean them getting spots in the more prestigious institutions, well, it's not clear whether that will even happen (the few thousand international students admitted to the top universities are not the ones that are likely to decline their acceptance letters), but even if it did, well, those universities are simply not as prestigious anymore. Attracting the best talent from anywhere in the world is a huge part of what created their prestige, and that's even before we get to how they're losing funding, and professors and researchers to other countries.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  The "best talent" is a major scam. International students/alumni did not make these universities the best in the world or create that prestige.
  - LPisGood 1y ago
    Look at any tier 1 research university in USA and I’ll find you distinguished professors who were once international students at US universities. Go look at a current list of people at Princeton’s IAS and count how many are former international students.
more_corn 1y ago
Not a win if your school cuts programs because of loss of 60% of revenue that used to come from foreign students.

Zero sum ass mentality. Top performing international students are likely to start companies and create jobs which is great for US high school and college students.

chucksta 1y ago
Are top performing US students less likely to start companies and create jobs than international?
- HDThoreaun 1y ago
  1. No evidence but imo probably. Immigrants are by their nature entrepunerial go getters, thats how they got here. 2. Top performing US students arent being crowded out by international students anyway.
  - chucksta 1y ago
    What about the first US child from a family of immigrants?
    - HDThoreaun 1y ago
      What about them? Competent domestic students are not being crowded out by international students. Competent domestic workers are not being crowded out by immigrants. The opposite is happening, immigrants create new opportunities for natives out of thin air. That doesnt mean that natives dont, they both do.
      - chucksta 1y ago
        Was just curious how you thought they ranked compared to the others since you had an opinion
        HDThoreaun 1y ago
        An interesting thought. I think parents who work to instill an entrepreneurial mindset into their children are more likely to end up with entrepreneurial minded children. Whether immigrants do that Im not sure. Maybe they want their kids to have an easier/simpler life than they did
- esalman 1y ago
  Objectively yes. Immigrants make up 14% of the population but start more than 20% of businesses. 44% of fortune 500 companies are founded by immigrants or their children. Steve Jobs' dad was a Syrian immigrant student. Elon Musk was on F1, J1, and H1B visa.
- more_corn 1y ago
  Yes. Look at the top ten tech companies. Their founders were foreign born and in cases where they weren’t they’re children of foreign born immigrants.
ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
Sorry I don't believe you.

mempko 1y ago

Some of my favorite people to meet in college were foreign students. You get to meet diverse people and learn about the world. It's only a win if college is 20% cheaper this year. It's not.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
What is the cost of "meeting diverse people" and can the average US student afford that. Every benefit must be judged by its cost.
- yongjik 1y ago
  Now that full-tuition-paying international students are gone, the average US students will have even harder time affording that. Congratulations.
- ModernMech 1y ago
  Foreign money coming in will have to be made up elsewhere. It will be made up by raising tuition on remaining students. Schools that have a small enough applicant pool will price out their applicants and close. Likely they will be replaced by for-profit grifts that are much more affordable but don't actually do anything for the students except bilk them. The largest most international most diverse most administratively bloated schools will be fine. It's the small mostly-white rural colleges that will suffer the most.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  > What is the cost of "meeting diverse people"… In this case, it's self-funding. International students subsidize much cheaper in-state tuition.

addicted 1y ago

Student enrollment in the US is declining and the big problem for colleges the past few years has been a worry about not having enough students. So it's not clear why US students were struggling to get a college spot. And if you mean them getting spots in the more prestigious institutions, well, it's not clear whether that will even happen (the few thousand international students admitted to the top universities are not the ones that are likely to decline their acceptance letters), but even if it did, well, those universities are simply not as prestigious anymore. Attracting the best talent from anywhere in the world is a huge part of what created their prestige, and that's even before we get to how they're losing funding, and professors and researchers to other countries.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
The "best talent" is a major scam. International students/alumni did not make these universities the best in the world or create that prestige.
- LPisGood 1y ago
  Look at any tier 1 research university in USA and I’ll find you distinguished professors who were once international students at US universities. Go look at a current list of people at Princeton’s IAS and count how many are former international students.

more_corn 1y ago

Not a win if your school cuts programs because of loss of 60% of revenue that used to come from foreign students.