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For some reason, radical egalitarianism seems to have taken hold across the West and separating children by ability is frowned upon. Here in Spain one of the f

For some reason, radical egalitarianism seems to have taken hold across the West and separating children by ability is frowned upon. Here in Spain one of the far-left politicians was found to be sending both of his children to private school while preaching this enforced equality for the rest of us.

teiferer 1y ago
> radical Really? Why is everything called "radical" nowadays? The "radical left" who want healthcare for everybody, the "radical right" who oppose immigration. Radical egalitarianism? Really? Because they don't want to fund programs for gifted kids? You may not like it (I myself am ambivalent and the best solution is likely in the middle), but it's not "radical".
- jlawson 1y ago
  The belief that every child has the same natural ability is as radical. It's radical because goes against all evidence, experience, and common sense - it is ideology taken to a puritanical extreme. There is no more extreme position one can take.
  - teiferer 1y ago
    Though I don't think that's the argument. Even those advocating for the end of the program for gifted kids don't believe that all children have the same natural ability. Maybe some of them do, but the main arguments are different and are not actually that "radical". And even if that was the argument, the term was used in the context of "radical egalitarianism". So, the argument doesn't automatically transfer to such a radical variety of "egalitarianism" in society as a whole if it focuses on a single aspect. There are two levels of quite extreme exaggeration here, calling the end of a particular school program "radical egalitarianism". Which words should we use if an actual radical proposal comes along?
    - jlawson 1y ago
      Ending all school programs that separate children by ability is the most radically egalitarian position possible, even in theory. There is no more extreme position one can take. Given that, there's nothing else to save the word for. This is the limit; the max. So if radical refers to anything at all, it refers to this.
      - teiferer 1y ago
        > Ending all school programs that separate children by ability is the most radically egalitarian position possible, even in theory. There is no more extreme position one can take. There are many things I can imagine that are much more radical than this. Everybody has to live the same, wear the same, eat the same, think the same. That's pretty insanely dystopian for sure, but much more egalitarian than barely mixing kids of different ability in the same classroom.

teiferer 1y ago

> radical Really? Why is everything called "radical" nowadays? The "radical left" who want healthcare for everybody, the "radical right" who oppose immigration. Radical egalitarianism? Really? Because they don't want to fund programs for gifted kids? You may not like it (I myself am ambivalent and the best solution is likely in the middle), but it's not "radical".

jlawson 1y ago
The belief that every child has the same natural ability is as radical. It's radical because goes against all evidence, experience, and common sense - it is ideology taken to a puritanical extreme. There is no more extreme position one can take.
- teiferer 1y ago
  Though I don't think that's the argument. Even those advocating for the end of the program for gifted kids don't believe that all children have the same natural ability. Maybe some of them do, but the main arguments are different and are not actually that "radical". And even if that was the argument, the term was used in the context of "radical egalitarianism". So, the argument doesn't automatically transfer to such a radical variety of "egalitarianism" in society as a whole if it focuses on a single aspect. There are two levels of quite extreme exaggeration here, calling the end of a particular school program "radical egalitarianism". Which words should we use if an actual radical proposal comes along?
  - jlawson 1y ago
    Ending all school programs that separate children by ability is the most radically egalitarian position possible, even in theory. There is no more extreme position one can take. Given that, there's nothing else to save the word for. This is the limit; the max. So if radical refers to anything at all, it refers to this.
    - teiferer 1y ago
      > Ending all school programs that separate children by ability is the most radically egalitarian position possible, even in theory. There is no more extreme position one can take. There are many things I can imagine that are much more radical than this. Everybody has to live the same, wear the same, eat the same, think the same. That's pretty insanely dystopian for sure, but much more egalitarian than barely mixing kids of different ability in the same classroom.