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This reveals a whole new channel of modern warfare. Imagine a nation state getting control of an adversaries' smart devices? You don't need to destroy capital-i

This reveals a whole new channel of modern warfare. Imagine a nation state getting control of an adversaries' smart devices? You don't need to destroy capital-intensive infrastructure such as an electric grid if you can disable their ability to store and cook their food (internet connected ovens and refrigerators). That's morbidly fascinating, though I now realize I'm potentially open to such an attack.

mft_ 1y ago
It struck me recently how vulnerable we are to small disrutpive attacks of the sort you mention, and more. For example, several major European airports were closed recently due to unidentified drone activity around them. I don't know if the authorities have figured it out, but in theory someone could cripple air travel for the cost of a few anonymous drones.
- no_no_no_no 1y ago
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wrs 1y ago
Check out Mr. Robot S2E1, where someone is terrorized by their hacked smart house. Or 1977's Demon Seed, a film where an AI house does worse things. I really thought the latter would remain fictional, but I'm less sure now.
- dylan604 1y ago
  Lots of movie plots with hacking critical infrastructure. Hackers controlled the ballast of a ship. Some other movie(s??) have taken over the flow of oil/gas at refineries. The entire US electrical grid is nothing but a soft target. A Ukranian style sneak drone attack on enough substations would knock the entire country into a blackout without ever touching the generation plants.
- RajT88 1y ago
  Definitely stick with Mr. Robot. Unless it's Saturday Night and you're drunk. Then go for Demon Seed.
  - reaperducer 1y ago
    Unless it's Saturday Night and you're drunk. Then go for Demon Seed. Don't give Svengoolie any ideas!
    - RajT88 1y ago
      Fellow Illinoisan I see. Recording Svengoolie is one of the main functions of my JellyFin box. Alas, lately it's mostly been 60's and earlier, when at one point it was a lot of 70's-90's stuff.
      - Loughla 1y ago
        Yeah but Young Frankenstein? Come on. That's going to be good. Sven is one of the few things I miss about living in Chicago.
        RajT88 1y ago
        Make no mistake, I am very excited for this weekend's broadcast. When I am away from home for extended periods, I like to watch Sven to get a taste of home. It's especially nice for after I return from travel and want to unwind. PSA: There's full broadcasts of Svengoolie up on Archive.org! Some uploaded by the man himself! ETA: A lot more than I realized; the last ~year some fellow has been recording and uploading them regularly.
      - reaperducer 1y ago
        Fellow Illinoisan I see. Former Illinoisan, and happy that Sven is national on the MeTV network. I've heard he's now in commercials with Howard Ankin, which seems strange since he gets thrown out of the back of the hearse in the middle of each show!
- nonfamous 1y ago
  Cassandra, a short series on Netflix, follows similar themes and is quite good (as long as you speak German or don’t mind subtitles).
- apparent 1y ago
  There's also Afraid from 2024. Not John Cho's best work, but serviceable.
loloquwowndueo 1y ago
Go for the phones. Watch “Leave the World Behind”.
- SchemaLoad 1y ago
  Phones are extremely hard to hack and getting harder. The phone hacking companies only bother targeting an extremely limited set of people because once it becomes widespread, the whole exploit chain gets patched and you have to spend millions of dollars developing a new one. With ARM Memory Tagging Extension becoming common on phones now it's getting borderline impossible to hack them.
  - loloquwowndueo 1y ago
    Thank god the movie is just a movie :)
  - xnzakg 1y ago
    ...or you can just give someone a "smart" device that requires then to install an app with lots of unnecessary permissions to use it.
Terr_ 1y ago
> This reveals a whole new channel of modern warfare. Imagine a nation state getting control of an adversaries' smart devices? I expect there are oodles of sci-fi references to this already, but in particular I remember an audio-log from the game Horizon: Forbidden West, where a hacker is critiquing some shady corporate research he found, implying a project to weaponize domestic robots: > There's the Moldova brain-hack of course, but also up and coming little devils like the know-it-all MEMEr, or my personal favorite, Sovereign 7482. > Now that's an apex predator. Assuming control of them Ti-D-O bots and arming 'em with household appliances? Imagine tidying up after that! Gotta admit, it'd be fun to see 'em hunt in the wild.

mft_ 1y ago

It struck me recently how vulnerable we are to small disrutpive attacks of the sort you mention, and more. For example, several major European airports were closed recently due to unidentified drone activity around them. I don't know if the authorities have figured it out, but in theory someone could cripple air travel for the cost of a few anonymous drones.

no_no_no_no 1y ago
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wrs 1y ago

Check out Mr. Robot S2E1, where someone is terrorized by their hacked smart house. Or 1977's Demon Seed, a film where an AI house does worse things. I really thought the latter would remain fictional, but I'm less sure now.

dylan604 1y ago
Lots of movie plots with hacking critical infrastructure. Hackers controlled the ballast of a ship. Some other movie(s??) have taken over the flow of oil/gas at refineries. The entire US electrical grid is nothing but a soft target. A Ukranian style sneak drone attack on enough substations would knock the entire country into a blackout without ever touching the generation plants.
RajT88 1y ago
Definitely stick with Mr. Robot. Unless it's Saturday Night and you're drunk. Then go for Demon Seed.
- reaperducer 1y ago
  Unless it's Saturday Night and you're drunk. Then go for Demon Seed. Don't give Svengoolie any ideas!
  - RajT88 1y ago
    Fellow Illinoisan I see. Recording Svengoolie is one of the main functions of my JellyFin box. Alas, lately it's mostly been 60's and earlier, when at one point it was a lot of 70's-90's stuff.
    - Loughla 1y ago
      Yeah but Young Frankenstein? Come on. That's going to be good. Sven is one of the few things I miss about living in Chicago.
      - RajT88 1y ago
        Make no mistake, I am very excited for this weekend's broadcast. When I am away from home for extended periods, I like to watch Sven to get a taste of home. It's especially nice for after I return from travel and want to unwind. PSA: There's full broadcasts of Svengoolie up on Archive.org! Some uploaded by the man himself! ETA: A lot more than I realized; the last ~year some fellow has been recording and uploading them regularly.
    - reaperducer 1y ago
      Fellow Illinoisan I see. Former Illinoisan, and happy that Sven is national on the MeTV network. I've heard he's now in commercials with Howard Ankin, which seems strange since he gets thrown out of the back of the hearse in the middle of each show!
nonfamous 1y ago
Cassandra, a short series on Netflix, follows similar themes and is quite good (as long as you speak German or don’t mind subtitles).
apparent 1y ago
There's also Afraid from 2024. Not John Cho's best work, but serviceable.

loloquwowndueo 1y ago

Go for the phones. Watch “Leave the World Behind”.

SchemaLoad 1y ago
Phones are extremely hard to hack and getting harder. The phone hacking companies only bother targeting an extremely limited set of people because once it becomes widespread, the whole exploit chain gets patched and you have to spend millions of dollars developing a new one. With ARM Memory Tagging Extension becoming common on phones now it's getting borderline impossible to hack them.
- loloquwowndueo 1y ago
  Thank god the movie is just a movie :)
- xnzakg 1y ago
  ...or you can just give someone a "smart" device that requires then to install an app with lots of unnecessary permissions to use it.

Terr_ 1y ago

> This reveals a whole new channel of modern warfare. Imagine a nation state getting control of an adversaries' smart devices? I expect there are oodles of sci-fi references to this already, but in particular I remember an audio-log from the game Horizon: Forbidden West, where a hacker is critiquing some shady corporate research he found, implying a project to weaponize domestic robots: > There's the Moldova brain-hack of course, but also up and coming little devils like the know-it-all MEMEr, or my personal favorite, Sovereign 7482. > Now that's an apex predator. Assuming control of them Ti-D-O bots and arming 'em with household appliances? Imagine tidying up after that! Gotta admit, it'd be fun to see 'em hunt in the wild.