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That was impressively delusional. > having a standard on menu structure, a standard for all UI controls etc You mean all the stuff apple brought to personal co

That was impressively delusional. > having a standard on menu structure, a standard for all UI controls etc You mean all the stuff apple brought to personal computers? By the way, you can use a Mac (and iPhone) without an Apple ID and there's no sign that this is changing.

tryauuum 1y ago
I googled a little... You can use iPhone without an appleid but you cannot install any apps. I wouldn't call this "using" even
- pazimzadeh 1y ago
  The original article was about Windows, which is equivalent to Mac OS not iPhone. Anyway there is a lot you can do with the default apps. But yes you can’t use the App Store without an Apple ID.
Fischgericht 1y ago
Facts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access
- wtallis 1y ago
  In what way do you think that's relevant? Large portions of that standard had already been abandoned in the Windows 95 era. Nowadays, approximately nobody uses Shift-Insert for Paste, and most laptop users wouldn't even know where to find an Insert key without hunting for it.
  - hosteur 1y ago
    I use shift insert to paste all the time.
- pazimzadeh 1y ago
  Thanks, I couldn't have said it better myself: > The detailed CUA specification, published in December 1987, is 328 pages long. It has similarities to Apple Computer's detailed human interface guidelines (139 pages). The Apple HIG is a detailed book specifying how software for the 1984 Apple Macintosh computer should look and function. When it was first written, the Mac was new, and graphical user interface (GUI) software was a novelty, so Apple took great pains to ensure that programs would conform to a single shared look and feel. Windows NT came out in 1993 by the way.
  - Fischgericht 1y ago
    Did not mention facts to counter you but to provide... facts. Parent comment by mine by the way also did not claim anyone invented anything, but that Windows once HAD and FOLLOWED human interface guidelines that made the system optimized to be used by... humans. While now MS is fighting their human users. But to give you feedback: Sometimes it is nice to sit on a shady park bench on a Sunday without an apple fan boy running by with a loudspeaker "AND DID YOU KNOW? JOBS INVENTED BENCHES!!!".
    - pazimzadeh 1y ago
      The HN story is about whether you can log in to Windows without a Microsoft account. You then went on a rant about how the reason Windows stopped having standard menu structures is because the Windows UI team now only consists of Mac users. Even though you don't need an Apple ID to log in to macOS, and those standard menu structures come from Apple in the first place. Thanks for the feedback. Your communication style is schizophrenic and melodramatic and I still have no idea what you actually think.

tryauuum 1y ago

I googled a little... You can use iPhone without an appleid but you cannot install any apps. I wouldn't call this "using" even

pazimzadeh 1y ago
The original article was about Windows, which is equivalent to Mac OS not iPhone. Anyway there is a lot you can do with the default apps. But yes you can’t use the App Store without an Apple ID.

Fischgericht 1y ago

Facts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access

wtallis 1y ago
In what way do you think that's relevant? Large portions of that standard had already been abandoned in the Windows 95 era. Nowadays, approximately nobody uses Shift-Insert for Paste, and most laptop users wouldn't even know where to find an Insert key without hunting for it.
- hosteur 1y ago
  I use shift insert to paste all the time.
pazimzadeh 1y ago
Thanks, I couldn't have said it better myself: > The detailed CUA specification, published in December 1987, is 328 pages long. It has similarities to Apple Computer's detailed human interface guidelines (139 pages). The Apple HIG is a detailed book specifying how software for the 1984 Apple Macintosh computer should look and function. When it was first written, the Mac was new, and graphical user interface (GUI) software was a novelty, so Apple took great pains to ensure that programs would conform to a single shared look and feel. Windows NT came out in 1993 by the way.
- Fischgericht 1y ago
  Did not mention facts to counter you but to provide... facts. Parent comment by mine by the way also did not claim anyone invented anything, but that Windows once HAD and FOLLOWED human interface guidelines that made the system optimized to be used by... humans. While now MS is fighting their human users. But to give you feedback: Sometimes it is nice to sit on a shady park bench on a Sunday without an apple fan boy running by with a loudspeaker "AND DID YOU KNOW? JOBS INVENTED BENCHES!!!".
  - pazimzadeh 1y ago
    The HN story is about whether you can log in to Windows without a Microsoft account. You then went on a rant about how the reason Windows stopped having standard menu structures is because the Windows UI team now only consists of Mac users. Even though you don't need an Apple ID to log in to macOS, and those standard menu structures come from Apple in the first place. Thanks for the feedback. Your communication style is schizophrenic and melodramatic and I still have no idea what you actually think.