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>see it as a cost-cutting measure to stop doing it. If only. I wish they would stop localizing it. Just give me the raw episodes. It seems like every site outs

>see it as a cost-cutting measure to stop doing it. If only. I wish they would stop localizing it. Just give me the raw episodes. It seems like every site outside of Japan insists on ruing it by putting English on top of it. Unfortunately the economics of the situation means that sites will server the interests of tourists instead of otaku, so it's unlikely to ever change.

anigbrowl 1y ago
You could just turn the subtitles off, or watch it with Japanese subtitles
- uxp100 1y ago
  I think they are referring to text localization. I’m not sure if you actually can turn the subtitle track off on the Japanese language on crunchy roll, the rights holders have long been very concerned with reverse importation.
  - Arnavion 1y ago
    CR rips (like SubsPlease, mentioned in the article) have jp audio and softsubs for en+signs, so I assume you can turn them off on CR's website too.
    - vunderba 1y ago
      Yeah CR's mobile app supports this as well - I've accidentally turned off subs when watching anime on CR in the original Japanese dub.
  - anigbrowl 1y ago
    As someone pointed out CR often lacks Japanese subtitles, but you can definitely turn them off.
- zdw 1y ago
  Crunchyroll strangely lacks Japanese subs, which seems strange as Netflix, Amazon Prime, and most others have them in addition to all the translations.
  - forgotoldacc 1y ago
    Japanese people as a whole never watch content with proper subtitles. And the subtitles that do exist in Japan for Japanese content are universally awful. It seems only foreign companies that promote being accessible have them. Unext, a Japanese company, never offers subs on Japanese content. It only have subtitles for foreign content... but it only offers subtitles if you're not watching Japanese dubs. It never, under any circumstance, allows the audio and subtitle language to be the same. I feel like one reason is that subtitles in Japan never match what the characters actually say. A character may say "I've missed you so much. It's been so long." The subtitles will read "Hey. Long time. " (both quotes would be Japanese) Not sure why but the Japanese subtitle industry is just terrible in so many ways.
    - Arnavion 1y ago
      >A character may say "I've missed you so much. It's been so long." The subtitles will read "Hey. Long time. " (both quotes would be Japanese) This is standard in closed captions and is not specific to Japan. So perhaps the service you're talking about only has closed captions and is incorrectly marking them as subtitles.
    - cyphar 1y ago
      I agree there appears to be very little interest in subtitles in Japan from most Japanese people, but it is absolutely not true that Japanese subtitles are as haphazard as you say. The overwhelming majority of official Japanese subtitles I have seen (having studied Japanese for more than 5 years now) are not only word-accurate transcriptions, but also include transcriptions of noises (like あああああ for screams) as well as SDH-like notations for sound effects. Most include furigana for new/uncommon words as well. This has been the case for all anime, dramas, and movies I have watched with subtitles for the past 5 years (too many hours to count). Funnily enough, the complaints you have here actually apply more to English subtitles in my experience. Modern English subtitles tend to accurately transcribe what was said, but if you look at official subtitles from the mid-2000s and earlier you'll see that most subtitles are made much shorter than the original text. Tom Scott's video on subtitling talks about this historical practice and how it is different today[1]. Are you sure that the subtitle services you used are actually using official subtitles, and that they aren't actually translations or from some other source? How old are the shows you're watching (I believe some movies from the 70s I watched were character-accurate but that might not have been as common in the past)? [1]: https://youtu.be/pU9sHwNKc2c?t=124 https://youtu.be/pU9sHwNKc2c?t=124
kmeisthax 1y ago
日本語をわかれる人として、アニメはアメリカで一番部分は英語だけで見たいのは分かります。それから、アメリカで英語に翻訳しております。 If you don't understand the above, then you don't want raw episodes after all.
- GolDDranks 1y ago
  Not the GP, but I watch all my anime raw (often enabling Japanese closed captions), and I struggle to understand the above...
  - Ferret7446 1y ago
    Well, it's not really Japanese. It reminds me of myself as a doe-eyed freshman who took Japanese 101 and thought I was hot shit.
    - GolDDranks 1y ago
      Those were the days.
- Ferret7446 1y ago
  That Japanese is a travesty. I can only guess, but I suppose you meant something like アメリカ人は大体英語吹き替えのアニメしか見ないからアメリカだけに吹き替えされている
  - ishouldbework 1y ago
    Word of the day, 吹き替える. TIL. One question if you have a minute. Why is it アメリカだけに吹き替えされている instead of 英語だけに吹き替えされている?
    - GolDDranks 1y ago
      That depends on the intent of the sentence, and the intent was only a guess of the GP. But you can analyze だけに in two ways: 英語に吹き替える to dub in English (the base case of 吹き替える) 英語だけに吹き替える to dub just in English (だけ + に) アメリカだけに吹き替える to dub, just because it's America / as you'd expect of America (だけに grammar https://tanosuke.com/n2-dakeni https://tanosuke.com/n2-dakeni)
vunderba 1y ago
The most popular anime streaming site outside of Japan, Crunchyroll, hasn't had hard-subs.... in forever. You can watch any of the shows in their original Japanese or available dubs without subtitles. I'd be willing to wager Netflix, which has a fair amount of anime, can do the same. What site(s) are you referring to?
- charcircuit 1y ago
  It looks like they now offer the option on some content, but it automatically defaults to English and you have to manually turn it off each time. That's a step in the right direction at least.
  - vunderba 1y ago
    I think it just defaults to the user's OS language (iOS, browser). Fortunately once you turn it off (or set it to another language) - that setting will persist so you don't have to constantly change it back. I flip pretty frequently between Chinese and English subs and it'll remember the last setting between episodes / shows / etc.
    - charcircuit 1y ago
      It didn't persist when I tried it out for what it's worth. Maybe that is a limitation of the browser version.
hooverd 1y ago
> tourists look, buddy, anime is mainstream now

anigbrowl 1y ago

You could just turn the subtitles off, or watch it with Japanese subtitles

uxp100 1y ago
I think they are referring to text localization. I’m not sure if you actually can turn the subtitle track off on the Japanese language on crunchy roll, the rights holders have long been very concerned with reverse importation.
- Arnavion 1y ago
  CR rips (like SubsPlease, mentioned in the article) have jp audio and softsubs for en+signs, so I assume you can turn them off on CR's website too.
  - vunderba 1y ago
    Yeah CR's mobile app supports this as well - I've accidentally turned off subs when watching anime on CR in the original Japanese dub.
- anigbrowl 1y ago
  As someone pointed out CR often lacks Japanese subtitles, but you can definitely turn them off.
zdw 1y ago
Crunchyroll strangely lacks Japanese subs, which seems strange as Netflix, Amazon Prime, and most others have them in addition to all the translations.
- forgotoldacc 1y ago
  Japanese people as a whole never watch content with proper subtitles. And the subtitles that do exist in Japan for Japanese content are universally awful. It seems only foreign companies that promote being accessible have them. Unext, a Japanese company, never offers subs on Japanese content. It only have subtitles for foreign content... but it only offers subtitles if you're not watching Japanese dubs. It never, under any circumstance, allows the audio and subtitle language to be the same. I feel like one reason is that subtitles in Japan never match what the characters actually say. A character may say "I've missed you so much. It's been so long." The subtitles will read "Hey. Long time. " (both quotes would be Japanese) Not sure why but the Japanese subtitle industry is just terrible in so many ways.
  - Arnavion 1y ago
    >A character may say "I've missed you so much. It's been so long." The subtitles will read "Hey. Long time. " (both quotes would be Japanese) This is standard in closed captions and is not specific to Japan. So perhaps the service you're talking about only has closed captions and is incorrectly marking them as subtitles.
  - cyphar 1y ago
    I agree there appears to be very little interest in subtitles in Japan from most Japanese people, but it is absolutely not true that Japanese subtitles are as haphazard as you say. The overwhelming majority of official Japanese subtitles I have seen (having studied Japanese for more than 5 years now) are not only word-accurate transcriptions, but also include transcriptions of noises (like あああああ for screams) as well as SDH-like notations for sound effects. Most include furigana for new/uncommon words as well. This has been the case for all anime, dramas, and movies I have watched with subtitles for the past 5 years (too many hours to count). Funnily enough, the complaints you have here actually apply more to English subtitles in my experience. Modern English subtitles tend to accurately transcribe what was said, but if you look at official subtitles from the mid-2000s and earlier you'll see that most subtitles are made much shorter than the original text. Tom Scott's video on subtitling talks about this historical practice and how it is different today[1]. Are you sure that the subtitle services you used are actually using official subtitles, and that they aren't actually translations or from some other source? How old are the shows you're watching (I believe some movies from the 70s I watched were character-accurate but that might not have been as common in the past)? [1]: https://youtu.be/pU9sHwNKc2c?t=124 https://youtu.be/pU9sHwNKc2c?t=124

kmeisthax 1y ago

日本語をわかれる人として、アニメはアメリカで一番部分は英語だけで見たいのは分かります。それから、アメリカで英語に翻訳しております。 If you don't understand the above, then you don't want raw episodes after all.

GolDDranks 1y ago
Not the GP, but I watch all my anime raw (often enabling Japanese closed captions), and I struggle to understand the above...
- Ferret7446 1y ago
  Well, it's not really Japanese. It reminds me of myself as a doe-eyed freshman who took Japanese 101 and thought I was hot shit.
  - GolDDranks 1y ago
    Those were the days.
Ferret7446 1y ago
That Japanese is a travesty. I can only guess, but I suppose you meant something like アメリカ人は大体英語吹き替えのアニメしか見ないからアメリカだけに吹き替えされている
- ishouldbework 1y ago
  Word of the day, 吹き替える. TIL. One question if you have a minute. Why is it アメリカだけに吹き替えされている instead of 英語だけに吹き替えされている?
  - GolDDranks 1y ago
    That depends on the intent of the sentence, and the intent was only a guess of the GP. But you can analyze だけに in two ways: 英語に吹き替える to dub in English (the base case of 吹き替える) 英語だけに吹き替える to dub just in English (だけ + に) アメリカだけに吹き替える to dub, just because it's America / as you'd expect of America (だけに grammar https://tanosuke.com/n2-dakeni https://tanosuke.com/n2-dakeni)

vunderba 1y ago

The most popular anime streaming site outside of Japan, Crunchyroll, hasn't had hard-subs.... in forever. You can watch any of the shows in their original Japanese or available dubs without subtitles. I'd be willing to wager Netflix, which has a fair amount of anime, can do the same. What site(s) are you referring to?

charcircuit 1y ago
It looks like they now offer the option on some content, but it automatically defaults to English and you have to manually turn it off each time. That's a step in the right direction at least.
- vunderba 1y ago
  I think it just defaults to the user's OS language (iOS, browser). Fortunately once you turn it off (or set it to another language) - that setting will persist so you don't have to constantly change it back. I flip pretty frequently between Chinese and English subs and it'll remember the last setting between episodes / shows / etc.
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    It didn't persist when I tried it out for what it's worth. Maybe that is a limitation of the browser version.

hooverd 1y ago

> tourists look, buddy, anime is mainstream now