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What is this weird Europe fetishization? I refuse to believe you honestly think life over there is all wine-sips-and-healthcare, unless you truly just know noth

What is this weird Europe fetishization? I refuse to believe you honestly think life over there is all wine-sips-and-healthcare, unless you truly just know nothing about the continent?

999900000999 1y ago
America has 3rd world standards of healthcare, for the simple fact that something like 1 in 3 people regularly can't afford treatment. All while still having high taxes. Crime is also drastically higher in the US. I've been to Europe and Asia. Serious crime is a fraction of what it is here. Plus you don't need a car in most big cities. But I guess America has more billionaires ( for now anyway).
- kulahan 1y ago
  Asia and Europe are full of intolerant ethnostates that barely get along with themselves, let alone others. It’s pretty easy to have a modicum of success when everyone is basically identical in looks and attitude. Also, who gives a shit if you need a car or not? What is this lol Even if I lived in Japan, I’d still have a car. You DO realize people outside of the internet occasionally enjoy cars, yeah? And America will probably have more billionaires for ages. Hardly anyone gets that rich in Europe, and in China, all billionaires exist at the pleasure of the government and are disappeared constantly. Outside of Singapore (where you go to jail for spitting out gum), there are hardly any. But yeah, the “for now” was definitely a cool mic drop…
  - 999900000999 1y ago
    Ok, so America is great for billionaires. The vast majority of us are a bad year away from sleeping on the streets. Just decoupling healthcare from employment would be amazing. It happens all the time. Any serious illness will stop you from working. You then have no way to pay for treatment, and then your stuck. Not to mention Europe is much safer by several orders of magnitude. Both the UK and France are very diverse and safe. Cars are expensive. Try affording healthcare insurance, a car, car insurance and out of pocket medical expenses on an average income. People just skip things, drive around without insurance and ignore easily treatable illnesses. Eventually it all falls apart. It's a horrible system for almost everyone, but billionaires. Like I said, America is a casino. It's fun when your winning, but very few come out ahead.
    - kulahan 1y ago
      You know, I can cut a lot of nonsense comments we'll need to work through by just asking this: Which nation are you referring to? Broke Greece? Unemployed Spain? Walled-off Britain? No-government France? Dictator-run Turkey? Dictator-run Russia? Dictator-run Belarus? Economically-stagnated Germany? Nervous-of-invasion nordic states? Like, where is this utopia?
      - 999900000999 1y ago
        >No-government France Ironic you bring this up as government workers are expected to work without pay during the shutdown. France has a fraction of the crime of the US. They have plenty of immigrants. Healthcare outcomes are significantly better. Greece, while having less billionaires, has a significantly longer life expectancy than the US. I guess if you're a billionaire America offers lower taxes. For everyone else it's a raw deal. The main issue is if you're poor life is hell, and it's very easy to fall off. No country is perfect, but our healthcare system alone puts us below most developed countries. As a bonus even if you leave the US you're still expected to pay taxes. Aside from Eritrea, no one other country does this.
ricardobeat 1y ago
Why do you think it is fetishization? You can quite literally sip a five euro wine while on sick leave (if your illness allows!), knowing that your finances and job are not at risk, for as long as your recovery takes. There is no hyperbole there, it's the entire point of labour protections. Meanwhile, as far as I understand, laws only mandate unpaid leave for a limited time, and only for very serious conditions in the US.
- 999900000999 1y ago
  Labor protections in America is a joke. A friend had a rough pregnancy, got fired. You can try and sue but it's expensive/stressful and you'll probably lose. Mom and the kid are both fine years later. Had a co worker who only took a single day off for his daughters birth as the company didn't offer any PAID family leave.
- kulahan 1y ago
  Because it's no different than me saying something completely useless like: europe: live in government row-houses, watch national economy implode, drink warm beer america: have some of the most affordable housing in the world (compared with income), watch national economy grow, sip three-buck-chuck No hyperbole!!! therefore it's just a normal observation and not fetishization!

What is this weird Europe fetishization? I refuse to believe you honestly think life over there is all wine-sips-and-healthcare, unless you truly just know nothing about the continent?

999900000999 1y ago

America has 3rd world standards of healthcare, for the simple fact that something like 1 in 3 people regularly can't afford treatment. All while still having high taxes. Crime is also drastically higher in the US. I've been to Europe and Asia. Serious crime is a fraction of what it is here. Plus you don't need a car in most big cities. But I guess America has more billionaires ( for now anyway).

kulahan 1y ago
Asia and Europe are full of intolerant ethnostates that barely get along with themselves, let alone others. It’s pretty easy to have a modicum of success when everyone is basically identical in looks and attitude. Also, who gives a shit if you need a car or not? What is this lol Even if I lived in Japan, I’d still have a car. You DO realize people outside of the internet occasionally enjoy cars, yeah? And America will probably have more billionaires for ages. Hardly anyone gets that rich in Europe, and in China, all billionaires exist at the pleasure of the government and are disappeared constantly. Outside of Singapore (where you go to jail for spitting out gum), there are hardly any. But yeah, the “for now” was definitely a cool mic drop…
- 999900000999 1y ago
  Ok, so America is great for billionaires. The vast majority of us are a bad year away from sleeping on the streets. Just decoupling healthcare from employment would be amazing. It happens all the time. Any serious illness will stop you from working. You then have no way to pay for treatment, and then your stuck. Not to mention Europe is much safer by several orders of magnitude. Both the UK and France are very diverse and safe. Cars are expensive. Try affording healthcare insurance, a car, car insurance and out of pocket medical expenses on an average income. People just skip things, drive around without insurance and ignore easily treatable illnesses. Eventually it all falls apart. It's a horrible system for almost everyone, but billionaires. Like I said, America is a casino. It's fun when your winning, but very few come out ahead.
  - kulahan 1y ago
    You know, I can cut a lot of nonsense comments we'll need to work through by just asking this: Which nation are you referring to? Broke Greece? Unemployed Spain? Walled-off Britain? No-government France? Dictator-run Turkey? Dictator-run Russia? Dictator-run Belarus? Economically-stagnated Germany? Nervous-of-invasion nordic states? Like, where is this utopia?
    - 999900000999 1y ago
      >No-government France Ironic you bring this up as government workers are expected to work without pay during the shutdown. France has a fraction of the crime of the US. They have plenty of immigrants. Healthcare outcomes are significantly better. Greece, while having less billionaires, has a significantly longer life expectancy than the US. I guess if you're a billionaire America offers lower taxes. For everyone else it's a raw deal. The main issue is if you're poor life is hell, and it's very easy to fall off. No country is perfect, but our healthcare system alone puts us below most developed countries. As a bonus even if you leave the US you're still expected to pay taxes. Aside from Eritrea, no one other country does this.

ricardobeat 1y ago

Why do you think it is fetishization? You can quite literally sip a five euro wine while on sick leave (if your illness allows!), knowing that your finances and job are not at risk, for as long as your recovery takes. There is no hyperbole there, it's the entire point of labour protections. Meanwhile, as far as I understand, laws only mandate unpaid leave for a limited time, and only for very serious conditions in the US.

999900000999 1y ago
Labor protections in America is a joke. A friend had a rough pregnancy, got fired. You can try and sue but it's expensive/stressful and you'll probably lose. Mom and the kid are both fine years later. Had a co worker who only took a single day off for his daughters birth as the company didn't offer any PAID family leave.
kulahan 1y ago
Because it's no different than me saying something completely useless like: europe: live in government row-houses, watch national economy implode, drink warm beer america: have some of the most affordable housing in the world (compared with income), watch national economy grow, sip three-buck-chuck No hyperbole!!! therefore it's just a normal observation and not fetishization!