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This is not equivalent to "lobby time or end game animations" in other games. In Valorant (similar to Counter Strike), at the start of the game you have 60 sec

This is not equivalent to "lobby time or end game animations" in other games. In Valorant (similar to Counter Strike), at the start of the game you have 60 seconds to buy your weapons and abilities for the round. Valorant/CS is typically a best-of-13, and before each round is a 60 second "buy" period.

typewithrhythm 1y ago
It's the idea that if they leave more players idling in a lobby, but period, or animation, that it costs them less. It's a deceptive way to sell people less game.
- gopher2000 1y ago
  > It's a deceptive way to sell people less game. That's a dumb take. The buying phase is an integral part of the game mode. And the game is free.
dgunay 1y ago
In CS you can leave the buy zone immediately. I don't necessarily believe that Valorant's decision to fence players in their spawn for the first minute during the buy period is simply to save on server costs, especially because they realized that optimization possibility after the fact. Being able to buy your weapons quickly may have an element of skill, but it doesn't make for particularly interesting gameplay. They may have just decided that they'd rather level this part of the playing field so people can focus on the core tactical FPS gameplay.
- LorenzoGood 1y ago
  In CS you have a 20 second+ buy phase where you can't move.
- andrepd 1y ago
  In CS you have 15 seconds to buy, which is more than enough for any non-newbie.
- eldenring 1y ago
  Buy phase is also used for navigating the map on your "side" before you can shoot at the other guys. Also for planning.
AnssiH 1y ago
> In Valorant (similar to Counter Strike), at the start of the game you have 60 seconds to buy your weapons and abilities for the round. Valorant/CS is typically a best-of-13, and before each round is a 60 second "buy" period. Valorant's buy phase is 30 seconds, with +15sec at start of match and halftime.
greatgib 1y ago
If you look at their own stats, they says that for a server that host 150 games, at any given time, they have around 50 games that are in the buy phase. I don't know how long game rounds last, but if you tell me that you have 60s only locked in that state, that means that the playable game round last around 2 minutes. And anyway, that you will spend on average 1/3 of your time not playing when you came to play. Numbers look strange, as 2 minutes looks very low to me for a party, but I don't know how you can explain the ratio of 50/150 otherwise? And just as an aside, the article in itself tells you that they capitalize on you being in the buying phase to reduce server costs. So looks like that even if they could do something on the game play side to improve that, there would be financial incentives not to do so.
- simjnd 1y ago
  > you will spend on average 1/3 of your time not playing when you came to play The buy phase is playing. It's coordinating with your team on what loadouts to get to best counter the enemy team. The decision making is fun and is play. Because you're not shooting at other players does not mean it is not playing?
  - greatgib 1y ago
    How much fun is it compared to do the shooting? For this game it is hard to say for me because I don't play it, but I still see complaints about that and the game duration: https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/169ts34/solution_for_a_frustratingly_long_buy_phases/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/169ts34/solution_... https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/1ekvieo/what_are_some_of_your_general_complaints_about/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/1ekvieo/what_are_... But generally, for other recent games I have to play, that is a strong complaint that I have. Like BO6 is awful for that for example. One example I noticed in the past years is with racing games like Burnout. The original game was perfect for a quick relaxing session, you start the game, you play (driving) most of the time. I the last versions of Burnout, you are stuck with hours lost waiting for intro, start and end of race cinematics, that are unskippable. And the whole interface making it painful to have a long session of "really playing" in a row. Obviously, most often when games are online, despite the fact that there is not a need for a real "loading" phase to reload the same assets 50 times when you play over and over the same game.

typewithrhythm 1y ago

It's the idea that if they leave more players idling in a lobby, but period, or animation, that it costs them less. It's a deceptive way to sell people less game.

gopher2000 1y ago
> It's a deceptive way to sell people less game. That's a dumb take. The buying phase is an integral part of the game mode. And the game is free.

dgunay 1y ago

In CS you can leave the buy zone immediately. I don't necessarily believe that Valorant's decision to fence players in their spawn for the first minute during the buy period is simply to save on server costs, especially because they realized that optimization possibility after the fact. Being able to buy your weapons quickly may have an element of skill, but it doesn't make for particularly interesting gameplay. They may have just decided that they'd rather level this part of the playing field so people can focus on the core tactical FPS gameplay.

LorenzoGood 1y ago
In CS you have a 20 second+ buy phase where you can't move.
andrepd 1y ago
In CS you have 15 seconds to buy, which is more than enough for any non-newbie.
eldenring 1y ago
Buy phase is also used for navigating the map on your "side" before you can shoot at the other guys. Also for planning.

AnssiH 1y ago

> In Valorant (similar to Counter Strike), at the start of the game you have 60 seconds to buy your weapons and abilities for the round. Valorant/CS is typically a best-of-13, and before each round is a 60 second "buy" period. Valorant's buy phase is 30 seconds, with +15sec at start of match and halftime.

greatgib 1y ago

If you look at their own stats, they says that for a server that host 150 games, at any given time, they have around 50 games that are in the buy phase. I don't know how long game rounds last, but if you tell me that you have 60s only locked in that state, that means that the playable game round last around 2 minutes. And anyway, that you will spend on average 1/3 of your time not playing when you came to play. Numbers look strange, as 2 minutes looks very low to me for a party, but I don't know how you can explain the ratio of 50/150 otherwise? And just as an aside, the article in itself tells you that they capitalize on you being in the buying phase to reduce server costs. So looks like that even if they could do something on the game play side to improve that, there would be financial incentives not to do so.

simjnd 1y ago
> you will spend on average 1/3 of your time not playing when you came to play The buy phase is playing. It's coordinating with your team on what loadouts to get to best counter the enemy team. The decision making is fun and is play. Because you're not shooting at other players does not mean it is not playing?
- greatgib 1y ago
  How much fun is it compared to do the shooting? For this game it is hard to say for me because I don't play it, but I still see complaints about that and the game duration: https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/169ts34/solution_for_a_frustratingly_long_buy_phases/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/169ts34/solution_... https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/1ekvieo/what_are_some_of_your_general_complaints_about/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/1ekvieo/what_are_... But generally, for other recent games I have to play, that is a strong complaint that I have. Like BO6 is awful for that for example. One example I noticed in the past years is with racing games like Burnout. The original game was perfect for a quick relaxing session, you start the game, you play (driving) most of the time. I the last versions of Burnout, you are stuck with hours lost waiting for intro, start and end of race cinematics, that are unskippable. And the whole interface making it painful to have a long session of "really playing" in a row. Obviously, most often when games are online, despite the fact that there is not a need for a real "loading" phase to reload the same assets 50 times when you play over and over the same game.