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Do you have a link to a blog or writeup regarding the inter-links not working? Hard to find it without getting lost in "Troubleshoot your starlink device" SEO h

Do you have a link to a blog or writeup regarding the inter-links not working? Hard to find it without getting lost in "Troubleshoot your starlink device" SEO hell.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Do you have a link to a blog or writeup regarding the inter-links not working? The simpler answer is intra-constellation communication is a bleeding-edge technology. It's an extraordinary challenge for which extraordinary proof is needed to show success, not the other way around. SpaceX has solved most of the gating technical problems. But getting it to work reliably enough that it becomes more economic than ground-based backhaul will take time.
- inemesitaffia 1y ago
  An even simpler answer is Starlink is available in locations too far from ground stations. Ergo they are served via laser. Cook Island Ascension Island Iran Venezuela Cuba Galapagos/Easter Islands Vanuatu Eastern Ukraine Syria Lebanon Iraq Iqaluit Antarctica, as South as the South Pole Tristan de Cunha The range of the ground stations are under 1500 miles and I really don't know where people are getting the idea that the lasers don't work.
  - Fischgericht 1y ago
    "The range of the ground stations are under 1500 miles and I really don't know where people are getting the idea that the lasers don't work." Maybe because v1 and v2 did not even have working lasers on the hardware level...? The idea is coming from "reality", Starlinks own reporting, industry talks, tech press etc. Anyway, to shorten this we can agree that we have different definitions of what one expects from having a dedicate backbone. I would expect seamless handover amongst other things, which I have never ever seen, and unless you show me a video recording of a 24h Starlink session with MTR running I simply will trust the data I have over a random claim. As said elsewhere in this thread: It is extremely hard to find detailed benchmarks from happy Starlink users. Next to all positive content is paid content. And a quick look at trustpilot & co clearly hint that there a huge chunk of Starlink customers might be unhappy. And even if it's just because their online gaming sessions getting interrupted on every Sat hand-over, which exists in reality, but not in your mind :) Seriously, if you have access to any benchmark data sources, please gimme. I'm not here for "winning" an argument. Data, Data, Data.
    - inemesitaffia 1y ago
      I've pointed out where you can get the data from a professor. You can also fly to one of the many Islands (or Iqaluit) I've mentioned and do your testing. https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlinks-laser-system-is-beaming-42-million-gb-of-data-per-day https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlinks-laser-system-is-beaming... It's quite fascinating, there's people who's only (or first) experience with Starlink is via lasers and there's people on the Internet who'll tell you it doesn't work (I forgot to mention Georgia and Kazakhstan) You really will hear everything on the Internet.
      - Fischgericht 1y ago
        You are aware that you are giving more weight to photos done of a powerpoint presentation over actual data points? Sorry, that's not a path I am willing to follow. Religion is not my cup of tea.
        inemesitaffia 1y ago
        I've given you links to the data you want and someone that can get it for you (and has monitoring stations). I've also mentioned several places you can travel to do your own testing. If you want to believe Tristan de Cunha or the Falkland Islands or Bhutan or Antarctica can be served by anything other than lasers, (get a map) I don't know what else to call that but religion. I'm not giving more weight to anything. I've pointed you in the right direction but I don't think even internal tools from SpaceX would change your mind even though geography should be enough.
        inemesitaffia 1y ago
        please talk to "panuvic". pan &a@t& uvic.ca he's a networking prof. Here's the data you've been asking for and dodging like I didn't post. https://old.reddit.com/user/panuvic/submitted/ https://old.reddit.com/user/panuvic/submitted/
        lxgr 1y ago
        Serious question: If you are not willing to entertain anybody else's data or observations, why should anyone entertain yours? Is there any input whatsoever that could change your foregone conclusions? If not, what's the point of this discussion?
- lxgr 1y ago
  > intra-constellation communication is a bleeding-edge technology Iridium has been successfully doing it for a quarter of a century now.

Do you have a link to a blog or writeup regarding the inter-links not working? Hard to find it without getting lost in "Troubleshoot your starlink device" SEO hell.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Do you have a link to a blog or writeup regarding the inter-links not working? The simpler answer is intra-constellation communication is a bleeding-edge technology. It's an extraordinary challenge for which extraordinary proof is needed to show success, not the other way around. SpaceX has solved most of the gating technical problems. But getting it to work reliably enough that it becomes more economic than ground-based backhaul will take time.

inemesitaffia 1y ago
An even simpler answer is Starlink is available in locations too far from ground stations. Ergo they are served via laser. Cook Island Ascension Island Iran Venezuela Cuba Galapagos/Easter Islands Vanuatu Eastern Ukraine Syria Lebanon Iraq Iqaluit Antarctica, as South as the South Pole Tristan de Cunha The range of the ground stations are under 1500 miles and I really don't know where people are getting the idea that the lasers don't work.
- Fischgericht 1y ago
  "The range of the ground stations are under 1500 miles and I really don't know where people are getting the idea that the lasers don't work." Maybe because v1 and v2 did not even have working lasers on the hardware level...? The idea is coming from "reality", Starlinks own reporting, industry talks, tech press etc. Anyway, to shorten this we can agree that we have different definitions of what one expects from having a dedicate backbone. I would expect seamless handover amongst other things, which I have never ever seen, and unless you show me a video recording of a 24h Starlink session with MTR running I simply will trust the data I have over a random claim. As said elsewhere in this thread: It is extremely hard to find detailed benchmarks from happy Starlink users. Next to all positive content is paid content. And a quick look at trustpilot & co clearly hint that there a huge chunk of Starlink customers might be unhappy. And even if it's just because their online gaming sessions getting interrupted on every Sat hand-over, which exists in reality, but not in your mind :) Seriously, if you have access to any benchmark data sources, please gimme. I'm not here for "winning" an argument. Data, Data, Data.
  - inemesitaffia 1y ago
    I've pointed out where you can get the data from a professor. You can also fly to one of the many Islands (or Iqaluit) I've mentioned and do your testing. https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlinks-laser-system-is-beaming-42-million-gb-of-data-per-day https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlinks-laser-system-is-beaming... It's quite fascinating, there's people who's only (or first) experience with Starlink is via lasers and there's people on the Internet who'll tell you it doesn't work (I forgot to mention Georgia and Kazakhstan) You really will hear everything on the Internet.
    - Fischgericht 1y ago
      You are aware that you are giving more weight to photos done of a powerpoint presentation over actual data points? Sorry, that's not a path I am willing to follow. Religion is not my cup of tea.
      - inemesitaffia 1y ago
        I've given you links to the data you want and someone that can get it for you (and has monitoring stations). I've also mentioned several places you can travel to do your own testing. If you want to believe Tristan de Cunha or the Falkland Islands or Bhutan or Antarctica can be served by anything other than lasers, (get a map) I don't know what else to call that but religion. I'm not giving more weight to anything. I've pointed you in the right direction but I don't think even internal tools from SpaceX would change your mind even though geography should be enough.
      - inemesitaffia 1y ago
        please talk to "panuvic". pan &a@t& uvic.ca he's a networking prof. Here's the data you've been asking for and dodging like I didn't post. https://old.reddit.com/user/panuvic/submitted/ https://old.reddit.com/user/panuvic/submitted/
      - lxgr 1y ago
        Serious question: If you are not willing to entertain anybody else's data or observations, why should anyone entertain yours? Is there any input whatsoever that could change your foregone conclusions? If not, what's the point of this discussion?
lxgr 1y ago
> intra-constellation communication is a bleeding-edge technology Iridium has been successfully doing it for a quarter of a century now.