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This is not a "America is Bad" debate, it's a "There are things America is bad at which we should get better at". > Abortion access is a debatable topic It's

by RajT88 1y ago

This is not a "America is Bad" debate, it's a "There are things America is bad at which we should get better at". > Abortion access is a debatable topic It's a simple debate though, one we can speedrun: Objections to abortion access are rooted in religious concerns. The first amendment guarantees separation of church and state. Birth control of all sorts are the best method of reducing generational poverty. It is also medically necessary in some cases to save the life of the mother, especially in the case of a non-viable fetus. QED: If you don't like abortion, don't get one. It has multiple societal benefits.

newfriend 1y ago
> Objections to abortion access are rooted in religious concerns. This is simply false. You don't have to be religious to be against killing babies. Many non-religious people find it barbaric.
- RajT88 1y ago
  According to Pew, 86% of people with no religious affiliation think it should be legal. Why? Because treating a fertilized egg or a fetus as the same thing as a baby is rooted in religion. 13% is few not many. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opini... > This is simply true. FTFY
  - newfriend 1y ago
    When exactly does a fetus become a baby? At the point of birth? There is no easy way out of this dilemma. Opinion polls are very easy to game by phrasing questions differently. Ask people at what number of weeks is it ok to crush a growing baby (fetus) into pieces and vacuum it out, and you will get a wildly different percentage.
    - RajT88 1y ago
      > When exactly does a fetus become a baby? At the point of birth? There is no easy way out of this dilemma. The easy way is the one already taken: by putting more restrictions the closer you get to the time of birth, and not at all addressing the question of when it counts as a baby. The easy way is not making that question the focus, because it inevitably leads to a discussion of "when does the soul inhabit the body" - a religious argument. Thank you for proving my point.
      - newfriend 1y ago
        There is no religious argument here. Either it's a baby or it's not. Either you're killing another human being or you're not. You don't need to believe in "souls" to find this type of killing abhorrent. Spare me the smug bullshit.
        RajT88 1y ago
        Dig up.
kulahan 1y ago
It's so easy to take this logic and apply it elsewhere. For the simplest example: Desire for every human to be viewed as equal is rooted in religious concerns (see: divine rites of succession). The first amendment guarantees separation of church and state. Therefore, we should not allow people to view each other as equals.

by RajT88 1y ago

newfriend 1y ago

> Objections to abortion access are rooted in religious concerns. This is simply false. You don't have to be religious to be against killing babies. Many non-religious people find it barbaric.

RajT88 1y ago
According to Pew, 86% of people with no religious affiliation think it should be legal. Why? Because treating a fertilized egg or a fetus as the same thing as a baby is rooted in religion. 13% is few not many. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opini... > This is simply true. FTFY
- newfriend 1y ago
  When exactly does a fetus become a baby? At the point of birth? There is no easy way out of this dilemma. Opinion polls are very easy to game by phrasing questions differently. Ask people at what number of weeks is it ok to crush a growing baby (fetus) into pieces and vacuum it out, and you will get a wildly different percentage.
  - RajT88 1y ago
    > When exactly does a fetus become a baby? At the point of birth? There is no easy way out of this dilemma. The easy way is the one already taken: by putting more restrictions the closer you get to the time of birth, and not at all addressing the question of when it counts as a baby. The easy way is not making that question the focus, because it inevitably leads to a discussion of "when does the soul inhabit the body" - a religious argument. Thank you for proving my point.
    - newfriend 1y ago
      There is no religious argument here. Either it's a baby or it's not. Either you're killing another human being or you're not. You don't need to believe in "souls" to find this type of killing abhorrent. Spare me the smug bullshit.
      - RajT88 1y ago
        Dig up.

kulahan 1y ago

It's so easy to take this logic and apply it elsewhere. For the simplest example: Desire for every human to be viewed as equal is rooted in religious concerns (see: divine rites of succession). The first amendment guarantees separation of church and state. Therefore, we should not allow people to view each other as equals.