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> A dose that might give a regular user a gentle buzz could render a first-time user completely stoned. So until we have more research, we legislate to the cas
by jancsika 1y ago
> A dose that might give a regular user a gentle buzz could render a first-time user completely stoned.
So until we have more research, we legislate to the case of the "first-time user completely stoned," no?
- potato3732842 1y ago>So until we have more research, we legislate to the case of the "first-time user completely stoned," no? Throwing everyone under the bus because of the lowest common denominator is a shitty thing to do when we're talking $10k+ life altering fines here, but your attitude is how everything else involving driving is done so you'll probably get your way even if it's not moral or right. INB4 people call me a stoner, haven't smoked weed in decades.
- cousinbryce 1y agoThose aren’t the only consequences for DWI
- 5555624 1y agoYou say it's "not moral or right"; so, what would you suggest? I agree applying the lowest common denominator is not necessarily the best (nor fair) way to do it; but, how do you handle it? Do we agree that there is some level that effects everyone, even if that level is different? Do we require all THC users -- smoking, edibles, vaping, topicals, etc -- be tested to determine the level where they become impaired?
- ChromaticPanic 1y agoDoing nothing is a perfectly valid option too. We don't have to react to and legislate every single thing.
- unethical_ban 1y agoOr, lacking evidence, punish people based on fault and liability that is defined. Speeding is speeding, causing a crash is causing a crash.
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- mullingitover 1y agoIf we’re going to be this cruel it only makes sense to apply the same penalty to using a smartphone while driving, since it results in the same level of reaction time impairment as DWI.
- eigencoder 1y agoI take issue with calling it "cruel". But yeah we should have really strict penalties on using smartphones while driving.
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- joquarky 1y agoI wonder at what age the typical person has reached this impairment threshold just by normal mental decline.
- mingus88 1y agoTHC can remain in your system and be detected for 30 days. You are effectively proposing that it should be illegal to drive if you have ever used a THC product in the past month
- mothballed 1y agoThat's the way it was in my state until it was overturned on appeal, and they only did that due to an accident of the way weed was legalized.
- jancsika 1y agoNot sure I understand what you're saying. * THC threshold for a first-time user to register as "completely stoned": $foo * THC level of someone who smoked the maximum amount they could 30 days ago, and hasn't smoked or eaten an edible since: $bar Are you saying that $bar >= $foo?
- estimator7292 1y agoThe degree to which any given dose of THC affects an individual varies so wildly as to be completely useless as a baseline. To guarantee that 100% of debilitated users are detected, the threshold would have to be so low as to also detect a heavy user who smoked a joint two days ago. Your argument is built on the supposition that there's a hard lower boundary on debilitating dosage. There is no such magic number, or it is nearly indistinguishable from zero.
- 0_____0 1y agoIt's sort of shocking. Compared to alcohol, where someone might plausibly get as drunk off of 1 drink as someone else might from 5, with THC the plausible ratio is more like 1:50 between naive and heavy users (IME).
- constantcrying 1y agoThat seems to be a very reasonable rule.
- filoeleven 1y agoNo. What ought to be done is impairment testing, which is the direct way of checking if a driver is safe to drive regardless of the source of impairment.
- whatever1 1y agoThe police cars should have a driving simulator installed that works with the steering wheel and the pedals of the car. Have suspects do on the spot a driving test in the sim. Pass/fail should be deterministic (the game would determine it).
- BriggyDwiggs42 1y agoLmao that’s actually kinda awesome.
- andriesm 1y agoI suck at driving computer games, I would definitely fail on my first few tries.
- JumpCrisscross 1y agoOnce we have self-driving cars widely available, sure.
- jrflowers 1y agoThis is a good point. Because we know that the THC level in somebody’s blood is so bad an indicator that it’s completely useless, we should use that measure to put the maximum number of people in jail with it for the maximum amount of time.