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That figure sounds way too high Edit: yes I understand it is correct, but still it sounds like an insane amount

by hmate9 1y ago

moralestapia 1y ago
It's true, though. It is now evident why Flash was murdered.
- tracker1 1y ago
  Because it was buggy, known for security holes and the single biggest source of application crashes in all software in the late 90's through early 00's.
  - moralestapia 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - tracker1 1y ago
      Drank the kool-aid?!? I worked in the eLearning space, I was a prominent user and developer for Flash/Flex content... there was some interesting tooling for sure, I also completely disabled it on my home computers as a result of working with it. I had a lot of hopes after the Adobe buyout that Flash would morph into something based around ActionScript (ES4) and SVG. That didn't happen. MS's Silverlight/XAML was close, but I wasn't going to even consider it without several cross-platform version releases.
      - moralestapia 1y ago
        >I was a prominent user and developer for Flash/Flex content I was as well. It wasn't as bad as people describe it. It was an amazing platform, HTML5 just recently caught up. In retrospective, Adobe should have open sourced it. >MS's Silverlight/XAML was close Hahahahahha, yeah sure! That tells me everything I need to know.
        tracker1 1y ago
        I agree it should have been open-sourced (at least the player portion)... As for Silverlight, I mean the technology itself was closer to where I wanted to see Flash go. I'm not sure why you're laughing at that. edit: as for not being as bad as people describe it... you could literally read any file on the filesystem... that's a pretty bad "sandbox" ... It was fixed later, but there were different holes along the way, multiple times.
  - jjtheblunt 1y ago
    you missed the "it drained battery like there was no tomorrow" argument.
    - tracker1 1y ago
      I never really used it detached from a wall... mostly from work projects.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > We now know why Flash was murdered This is a stupid conspiracy given Apple decided not to support Flash on iPhone since before Jobs came around on third-party apps. (The iPhone was launched with a vision of Apple-only native apps and HTML5 web apps. The latter's performance forced Cupertino's hand into launching the App Store. Then they saw the golden goose.)
  - moralestapia 1y ago
    You ignore the state of things back then. HTML5 was new and not widely supported, the web was WAY more fragmented back then, to put things in perspective, Internet Explorer still had the largest market share, by far. The only thing that could provide the user with a rich interactive experience was Flash, it was also ubiquitous. Flash was the biggest threat to Apple's App Store; this wasn't a conspiracy, it was evident back then but I can see why it is not evident to you in 2025. Jobs open letter was just a formal declaration of war.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > HTML5 was new and not widely supported Yes. It was a bad bet on the open web by Apple. But it was the one they took when they decided not to support Flash with the original iPhone's launch. > Flash was the biggest threat to Apple's App Store Flash was not supported since before there was an App Store. Since before Apple deigned to tolerate third-party native apps. You can argue that following the App Store's launch, Apple's choice to not start supporting Flash was influenced by pecuinary interests. But it's ahistoric to suggest the reason for the original decision was based on interests Cupertino had ruled out at the time.
mikestew 1y ago
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apples-app-store-generated-nearly-13-trillion-in-sales-in-2024-130002805.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apples-app-store-generated-ne...
- deleted 1y ago
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IncreasePosts 1y ago
They're confusing "sales facilitates by the app store" with sales from the app store itself. That 1T figure is real, but it includes things like if you buy a refrigerator using the Amazon iOS app.
- bangaladore 1y ago
  Yeah, the article itself even lists the reality at about 20% of the 1.3T.

That figure sounds way too high Edit: yes I understand it is correct, but still it sounds like an insane amount

by hmate9 1y ago

That figure sounds way too high Edit: yes I understand it is correct, but still it sounds like an insane amount

moralestapia 1y ago

It's true, though. It is now evident why Flash was murdered.

tracker1 1y ago
Because it was buggy, known for security holes and the single biggest source of application crashes in all software in the late 90's through early 00's.
- moralestapia 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - tracker1 1y ago
    Drank the kool-aid?!? I worked in the eLearning space, I was a prominent user and developer for Flash/Flex content... there was some interesting tooling for sure, I also completely disabled it on my home computers as a result of working with it. I had a lot of hopes after the Adobe buyout that Flash would morph into something based around ActionScript (ES4) and SVG. That didn't happen. MS's Silverlight/XAML was close, but I wasn't going to even consider it without several cross-platform version releases.
    - moralestapia 1y ago
      >I was a prominent user and developer for Flash/Flex content I was as well. It wasn't as bad as people describe it. It was an amazing platform, HTML5 just recently caught up. In retrospective, Adobe should have open sourced it. >MS's Silverlight/XAML was close Hahahahahha, yeah sure! That tells me everything I need to know.
      - tracker1 1y ago
        I agree it should have been open-sourced (at least the player portion)... As for Silverlight, I mean the technology itself was closer to where I wanted to see Flash go. I'm not sure why you're laughing at that. edit: as for not being as bad as people describe it... you could literally read any file on the filesystem... that's a pretty bad "sandbox" ... It was fixed later, but there were different holes along the way, multiple times.
- jjtheblunt 1y ago
  you missed the "it drained battery like there was no tomorrow" argument.
  - tracker1 1y ago
    I never really used it detached from a wall... mostly from work projects.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> We now know why Flash was murdered This is a stupid conspiracy given Apple decided not to support Flash on iPhone since before Jobs came around on third-party apps. (The iPhone was launched with a vision of Apple-only native apps and HTML5 web apps. The latter's performance forced Cupertino's hand into launching the App Store. Then they saw the golden goose.)
- moralestapia 1y ago
  You ignore the state of things back then. HTML5 was new and not widely supported, the web was WAY more fragmented back then, to put things in perspective, Internet Explorer still had the largest market share, by far. The only thing that could provide the user with a rich interactive experience was Flash, it was also ubiquitous. Flash was the biggest threat to Apple's App Store; this wasn't a conspiracy, it was evident back then but I can see why it is not evident to you in 2025. Jobs open letter was just a formal declaration of war.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > HTML5 was new and not widely supported Yes. It was a bad bet on the open web by Apple. But it was the one they took when they decided not to support Flash with the original iPhone's launch. > Flash was the biggest threat to Apple's App Store Flash was not supported since before there was an App Store. Since before Apple deigned to tolerate third-party native apps. You can argue that following the App Store's launch, Apple's choice to not start supporting Flash was influenced by pecuinary interests. But it's ahistoric to suggest the reason for the original decision was based on interests Cupertino had ruled out at the time.

mikestew 1y ago

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apples-app-store-generated-nearly-13-trillion-in-sales-in-2024-130002805.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apples-app-store-generated-ne...

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IncreasePosts 1y ago

They're confusing "sales facilitates by the app store" with sales from the app store itself. That 1T figure is real, but it includes things like if you buy a refrigerator using the Amazon iOS app.

bangaladore 1y ago
Yeah, the article itself even lists the reality at about 20% of the 1.3T.