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"Since 3 years the European Commission works on a plan to automatically monitor all chat, email and messenger conversations.12 If this is going to pass, and I s

"Since 3 years the European Commission works on a plan to automatically monitor all chat, email and messenger conversations.12 If this is going to pass, and I strongly hope it will not, the European Union is moving into a direction we know from states suppressing freedom of speech." If this come to pass, there will be two approaches: 1. People will not share anything important online, only in person 2. Every friends group will have a more technical guy/girl who will ran chat infrastructure for them Interesting article though :)

fermuch 1y ago
3. Normal people accept surveillance and techies are tracked down / silenced. Given our current surveillance state with social networks, I don't see (1) or (2) as real options.
- BinaryIgor 1y ago
  I hope not; I hope there is a culture change; but, hope is not a strategy so it's better to build alternative tools and learn how to use them
  - pessimizer 1y ago
    Ejabberd has been around since forever, and people have been saying that forever. Why would it suddenly happen now? One thing I do agree with is that collaboration tools have to come first. We've become unable to do anything without a company/boss, completely atomized. Three or four programmers/designers who hang out should be able to do anything together. Put them in a downtown office with some MBA prick alternately yelling at them and kissing their asses, and they can build empires that they get to share 5% of.
- AuthAuth 1y ago
  Yeah that made me laugh, aint no way average people are going to care. They already assume things are maximally bad. They assume things aree completely public and still choose to overshare. They are past the point in caring and I dont blame them, its near impossible to actually take serious without going down a schizo rabbit hole.
tracker1 1y ago
On #2, even though I and most of my friends/family are in the US, likely going to offer such to friends and family... I'm about to move from a /29 to /28 subnet to run a few extra services on my hosted server. I've got a nice mailu config and wanting to expand with Nextcloud (or alternative) and likely xmpp services... I mostly use a pretty light host VM and docker compose configuration to make up/down/backup/restore pretty smooth... I'm not currently running across multiple servers, but do want to be able to have a slightly more consistent config... I've got a combination of Caddy and Traefic on the different servers for TLS and all my apps are /apps/appName/(data|docker-compose.yml) on the server(s). Which keeps my maintenance chores relatively simple from a couple remote ssh commands and rsync. Mostly been a bit lazy in terms of getting this all done.
- gulikoza 1y ago
  Been running jabberd for probably >10 years. Horrible experience (for the users) and terrible clients. Sometimes you'd just appear online while not sending/receiving anything. I switched to Nextcloud Talk after Skype shutdown and migrated all my family there. They love it. We have a private cloud, we can share photos and other files, great mobile support... The only issue at the moment is relatively long delay before receiving a message (up to 30secs?) since I've been too lazy to setup redis.
  - MattJ100 1y ago
    I see these comments a lot from people who have very old deployments and didn't keep up with changing best practices. The users of these deployments also tend to be using out-of-date software such as Pidgin to access their account. There is zero reason for long delays or lost messages in XMPP.

fermuch 1y ago

3. Normal people accept surveillance and techies are tracked down / silenced. Given our current surveillance state with social networks, I don't see (1) or (2) as real options.

BinaryIgor 1y ago
I hope not; I hope there is a culture change; but, hope is not a strategy so it's better to build alternative tools and learn how to use them
- pessimizer 1y ago
  Ejabberd has been around since forever, and people have been saying that forever. Why would it suddenly happen now? One thing I do agree with is that collaboration tools have to come first. We've become unable to do anything without a company/boss, completely atomized. Three or four programmers/designers who hang out should be able to do anything together. Put them in a downtown office with some MBA prick alternately yelling at them and kissing their asses, and they can build empires that they get to share 5% of.
AuthAuth 1y ago
Yeah that made me laugh, aint no way average people are going to care. They already assume things are maximally bad. They assume things aree completely public and still choose to overshare. They are past the point in caring and I dont blame them, its near impossible to actually take serious without going down a schizo rabbit hole.

tracker1 1y ago

On #2, even though I and most of my friends/family are in the US, likely going to offer such to friends and family... I'm about to move from a /29 to /28 subnet to run a few extra services on my hosted server. I've got a nice mailu config and wanting to expand with Nextcloud (or alternative) and likely xmpp services... I mostly use a pretty light host VM and docker compose configuration to make up/down/backup/restore pretty smooth... I'm not currently running across multiple servers, but do want to be able to have a slightly more consistent config... I've got a combination of Caddy and Traefic on the different servers for TLS and all my apps are /apps/appName/(data|docker-compose.yml) on the server(s). Which keeps my maintenance chores relatively simple from a couple remote ssh commands and rsync. Mostly been a bit lazy in terms of getting this all done.

gulikoza 1y ago
Been running jabberd for probably >10 years. Horrible experience (for the users) and terrible clients. Sometimes you'd just appear online while not sending/receiving anything. I switched to Nextcloud Talk after Skype shutdown and migrated all my family there. They love it. We have a private cloud, we can share photos and other files, great mobile support... The only issue at the moment is relatively long delay before receiving a message (up to 30secs?) since I've been too lazy to setup redis.
- MattJ100 1y ago
  I see these comments a lot from people who have very old deployments and didn't keep up with changing best practices. The users of these deployments also tend to be using out-of-date software such as Pidgin to access their account. There is zero reason for long delays or lost messages in XMPP.