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So RubyGems has betrayed its community by ousting its maintainers. When a community-focused alternative created by the original maintainers is announced, it get

So RubyGems has betrayed its community by ousting its maintainers. When a community-focused alternative created by the original maintainers is announced, it gets flagged on HN. What is wrong with people? This situation is eerily similar to the Freenode takeover[1] and the subsequent formation of Libera Chat[2] a few years ago, even down to the political leanings of those behind the takeover. Except if the Freenode incident occurred today, there would be a vocal portion on HN vehemently siding with Freenode solely based on the perceived political affiliations of its owners. Submissions about Libera Chat would face heavy flagging, much like this one has. It seems the Freenode team may have advanced their plans just a bit too early. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207734

sosodev 1y ago
Flagging is definitely getting abused more on HN lately. The consensus seems to be that politics and/or morals are irrelevant outside of personal affairs so we must not have these conversations here.
- soraminazuki 1y ago
  Which is absurd because the hostile takeover of RubyGems primarily involves technology, with serious implications for the security and trust of nearly all Ruby code. Those flagging this submission are the ones prioritizing politics over this critical issue.
  - busterarm 1y ago
    Politically-charged ultimatums _caused_ the hostile takeover of RubyGems. This whole thing is politics all the way down.
    - soraminazuki 1y ago
      Someone withdrawing funding from Ruby Central doesn't necessitate a hostile takeover of RubyGems. The responsibility lies squarely on people doing the takeover. Needless to say, you haven't shown me any convincing arguments for suppressing the announcement of gem.coop.
shevy-java 1y ago
I could be wrong but it may be that some have an additional agenda to try to make e. g. competition to Ruby Central fail. You can see this on ruby-reddit, e. g. by u/f9ae8221b - either way I think the by far best strategy for gem.coop is to address all concerns and statements made, including the wrong ones. Simply be better than rubygems.org - everywhere. (Also, u/f9ae8221b is super-impatient; why can't he wait for a while? Rome was not built in a day, it is strange how he thinks to know the future. I don't know the future - let's wait and see. In the worst case gem.coop will fail; in the best case it'll fix numerous issues, including, by the way, gem/bundler not having had the same functionality. And namespacing too; and inactive accounts, and so on, and so forth. There is a ton of things to do.)
- vidugavia 1y ago
  He is employee of Shopify, which is a side in all this. I would take these conspiracy theories with a grain of salt at least.

sosodev 1y ago

Flagging is definitely getting abused more on HN lately. The consensus seems to be that politics and/or morals are irrelevant outside of personal affairs so we must not have these conversations here.

soraminazuki 1y ago
Which is absurd because the hostile takeover of RubyGems primarily involves technology, with serious implications for the security and trust of nearly all Ruby code. Those flagging this submission are the ones prioritizing politics over this critical issue.
- busterarm 1y ago
  Politically-charged ultimatums _caused_ the hostile takeover of RubyGems. This whole thing is politics all the way down.
  - soraminazuki 1y ago
    Someone withdrawing funding from Ruby Central doesn't necessitate a hostile takeover of RubyGems. The responsibility lies squarely on people doing the takeover. Needless to say, you haven't shown me any convincing arguments for suppressing the announcement of gem.coop.

shevy-java 1y ago

I could be wrong but it may be that some have an additional agenda to try to make e. g. competition to Ruby Central fail. You can see this on ruby-reddit, e. g. by u/f9ae8221b - either way I think the by far best strategy for gem.coop is to address all concerns and statements made, including the wrong ones. Simply be better than rubygems.org - everywhere. (Also, u/f9ae8221b is super-impatient; why can't he wait for a while? Rome was not built in a day, it is strange how he thinks to know the future. I don't know the future - let's wait and see. In the worst case gem.coop will fail; in the best case it'll fix numerous issues, including, by the way, gem/bundler not having had the same functionality. And namespacing too; and inactive accounts, and so on, and so forth. There is a ton of things to do.)

vidugavia 1y ago
He is employee of Shopify, which is a side in all this. I would take these conspiracy theories with a grain of salt at least.