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> The Presidency is term-limited by the Constitution. I have no faith Trump gives a shit about the constitution. He and his goons can amend and screw around ti

> The Presidency is term-limited by the Constitution. I have no faith Trump gives a shit about the constitution. He and his goons can amend and screw around till they find something that gives them what they want. So long as there's a somewhat legitimate election that says Trump's president, the fire burning under Europe's bottom isn't burning hot enough for them to move. Unless there's literally no election, not even the pretence of democracy, I can't imagine anyone doing anything much different from what they're doing now. If they were going to, they'd have already done it.

lapcat 1y ago
> I have no faith Trump gives a shit about the constitution. I didn't say he does. But again, abolishing the Constitution is the only path to staying in power. > He and his goons can amend No, they can't. Have you studied the amendment process? > So long as there's a somewhat legitimate election that says Trump's president That's the point. There can't be another somewhat legitimate election that says Trump's President.
- Telaneo 1y ago
  If they can't amend, they can bypass. Or ignore. If people go out to vote for Donald Trump, and he wins the election for a third term, or someone just says the right combination of words that wills him into being president for a third time, regardless of the constitution, that'll be legitimate enough. I have very little faith in both the US and Europe.
  - lapcat 1y ago
    > If they can't amend, they can bypass. Or ignore. Yes, that was my point! Again, the only path to remaining in power is to completely bypass or ignore the Consitution. There is no legal means, not even nominally. > If people go out to vote for Donald Trump, and he wins the election for a third term This is explicitly, clearly unconstitutional. > or someone just says the right combination of words that wills him into being president for a third time This is just hand-waving. > regardless of the constitution, that'll be legitimate enough. How will it be legitimate at all? > I have very little faith in both the US and Europe. You also appear to have very little knowledge of the US.
    - Telaneo 1y ago
      What's constitutional is what 5 out 9 people believe to be constitutional, and the bench is very stacked. He's already above the law. My point isn't really about the US. My point is that Europe will do naught more than what they're doing now unless the US democracy compleatly collapses. Even if the elections are made and choose a candidate that can't legally be elected, him being elected still has a shred of democracy that means it isn't totally gone, and thus probably not gone enough for Europe to actually wake up. It won't be a free and fair election if that's the way things go, but it will be an election, and I believe that will be enough.
      - lapcat 1y ago
        > What's constitutional is what 5 out 9 people believe to be constitutional This is not entirely accurate. If 5 Supreme Court justices declared that Trump is king, or that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, that doesn't make it Constutional. There are certain actions that are just obviously, blatantly unconstitutional, and everyone would recognize it, regardless of what the justices say. At a certain point, the justices themselves would be deemed to be ignoring the Constitution. The declaration may spawn another civil war, but we're not stupid enough to think, "Oh, hey, a king is actually Constitutional", and I doubt that Europeans are stupid enough to believe that either.
        Telaneo 1y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States
        lapcat 1y ago
        I am of course already aware of that case. If you have an argument to make, then make it; a bare link is not an argument. Note that the case is about criminal prosecution. Congress retains the power specified in the Constitution to impeach and remove the President. At this point, having already misunderstood our electoral system, you don't seem to be in a strong position to lecture US citizens about US law.
- cmurf 1y ago
  Discourse on Voluntary Servitude: Why People Enslave Themselves to Authority By E. LaBoetie (Philosopher and Writer, 1530-1563) https://billkatz.substack.com/p/discourse-on-voluntary-servitude https://billkatz.substack.com/p/discourse-on-voluntary-servi... But if not one thing is yielded to him, if without any violence he is simply not obeyed, he becomes naked and undone and nothing, just as when the root receives no nourishment, the branch withers and dies.

lapcat 1y ago

> I have no faith Trump gives a shit about the constitution. I didn't say he does. But again, abolishing the Constitution is the only path to staying in power. > He and his goons can amend No, they can't. Have you studied the amendment process? > So long as there's a somewhat legitimate election that says Trump's president That's the point. There can't be another somewhat legitimate election that says Trump's President.

Telaneo 1y ago
If they can't amend, they can bypass. Or ignore. If people go out to vote for Donald Trump, and he wins the election for a third term, or someone just says the right combination of words that wills him into being president for a third time, regardless of the constitution, that'll be legitimate enough. I have very little faith in both the US and Europe.
- lapcat 1y ago
  > If they can't amend, they can bypass. Or ignore. Yes, that was my point! Again, the only path to remaining in power is to completely bypass or ignore the Consitution. There is no legal means, not even nominally. > If people go out to vote for Donald Trump, and he wins the election for a third term This is explicitly, clearly unconstitutional. > or someone just says the right combination of words that wills him into being president for a third time This is just hand-waving. > regardless of the constitution, that'll be legitimate enough. How will it be legitimate at all? > I have very little faith in both the US and Europe. You also appear to have very little knowledge of the US.
  - Telaneo 1y ago
    What's constitutional is what 5 out 9 people believe to be constitutional, and the bench is very stacked. He's already above the law. My point isn't really about the US. My point is that Europe will do naught more than what they're doing now unless the US democracy compleatly collapses. Even if the elections are made and choose a candidate that can't legally be elected, him being elected still has a shred of democracy that means it isn't totally gone, and thus probably not gone enough for Europe to actually wake up. It won't be a free and fair election if that's the way things go, but it will be an election, and I believe that will be enough.
    - lapcat 1y ago
      > What's constitutional is what 5 out 9 people believe to be constitutional This is not entirely accurate. If 5 Supreme Court justices declared that Trump is king, or that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, that doesn't make it Constutional. There are certain actions that are just obviously, blatantly unconstitutional, and everyone would recognize it, regardless of what the justices say. At a certain point, the justices themselves would be deemed to be ignoring the Constitution. The declaration may spawn another civil war, but we're not stupid enough to think, "Oh, hey, a king is actually Constitutional", and I doubt that Europeans are stupid enough to believe that either.
      - Telaneo 1y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States
        lapcat 1y ago
        I am of course already aware of that case. If you have an argument to make, then make it; a bare link is not an argument. Note that the case is about criminal prosecution. Congress retains the power specified in the Constitution to impeach and remove the President. At this point, having already misunderstood our electoral system, you don't seem to be in a strong position to lecture US citizens about US law.
cmurf 1y ago
Discourse on Voluntary Servitude: Why People Enslave Themselves to Authority By E. LaBoetie (Philosopher and Writer, 1530-1563) https://billkatz.substack.com/p/discourse-on-voluntary-servitude https://billkatz.substack.com/p/discourse-on-voluntary-servi... But if not one thing is yielded to him, if without any violence he is simply not obeyed, he becomes naked and undone and nothing, just as when the root receives no nourishment, the branch withers and dies.