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What does “fash problem” mean?

phoronixrly 1y ago
If you know you know.
ramon156 1y ago
There's some weird opinions coming from mostly DHH. My personal take is that they're blatantly racist, but everyone can have their own Here's some fun facts: - DHH enforced a "No Politics at Work" policy. - DHH wrote a post expressing that he wouldn't want to live in London anymore because it's "no longer full of native Brits", and expressed support for a Tommy Robinson march he called "heartwarming". Tommy Robinson is described as "an anti-Islam campaigner and one of the UK's most prominent far-right activists.". The march DHH praised featured speakers calling for ethnic cleansing via "remigration" and banning all non-Christian religions. - DHH also promoted "demographic replacement" conspiracy theories and used language connecting immigration to crime, particularly regarding "Pakistani rape gangs" and street theft. - DHH has been publicly critical of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiatives. This one isn't backed by facts, so take it with a grain of salt.
- ishouldbework 1y ago
  Cannot speak for the US, but in Europe immigration is connected to crime increase in general. The Ukraine refugees are one of few statistical exceptions.
  - mijoharas 1y ago
    Have you got any references for this claim?
    - ishouldbework 1y ago
      Well, https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-024-10144-y https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-024-10144-y seems to claim there is a link for sexual crimes. This paper suggests that there is some delayed effect https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0927537123001410 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092753712....
  - busterarm 1y ago
    I think a lot of people are forgetting or at least choose to ignore that DHH is Danish (and specifically a Danish expat) and is probably more inclined to have controversial views on immigration from majority Islamic countries. That's not to give his statements a pass, but to give them some needed context. And no, I'm not saying that Danes are racist.
    - bsammon 1y ago
      I think a lot of people don't know why being Danish is relevant. Is there some reason why controversial views on immigration might be less suprising coming from a Dane?
      - drak0n1c 1y ago
        Denmark is the rare case of a European nation where its center-left listened to feedback from the electorate early on and earnestly adopted policies restricting immigration and refugee admission. As a result they had no populist backlash, and that policy position is uncontroversial to hold publicly.
        simianparrot 1y ago
        Denmark also has significantly lower rates of violence, crime, rapes and more. Sweden sees ~10 times more rapes than Denmark. As a Norwegian I respect Denmark for putting its people first.
    - shadowgovt 1y ago
      And, indeed, if he'd been talking about Copenhagen I suspect at least some people may have looked the other way. Saying what he said about London is, at the very least, a fascinating example of failure to stay in his lane. In fact, if one were of the mindset to be denigrating immigrants, one could, perhaps, raise questions around what business a Dane has telling Brits which members of their former colonies do and do not count as British or, indeed, what it means to be British.
- mrisoli 1y ago
  He doubled down on his opinion by sharing a sequence of posts from a X account that denounces "woke activism" in the software industry and open source projects. He criticised the political activism in open source projects, then, ironically, suggested Palmer Luckey should step in to steward NixOs.
- maxwellg 1y ago
  Ironic that DHH is politically active enough that it affects his day to day activities and public perception of his company - kind of the exact opposite of his own policy he expects his employees to abide by.
  - x3n0ph3n3 1y ago
    He posts about it on his personal blog, not on his company Slack.
    - phoronixrly 1y ago
      Is world.hey.com/dhh a personal blog? It's literally on his company's domain... At least in the company slack your fash opinions would reach just your poor colleagues...
      - dismalaf 1y ago
        Everyone with a Hey.com email gets a world.hey.com account linked to your email. So yes it's a personal blog. Hey.com is 37Signals' Gmail, not the company's private domain.
    - shadowgovt 1y ago
      It's not a distinction someone active in the open source community gets to make. For open source developers, the larger Internet is the workplace.
- shadowgovt 1y ago
  Probably worth noting in this particular context: The Ruby community in general, and the Rails community in particular, likes to style itself as people who care about people. "Matz is nice so we are nice" (MINSWAN) is a cornerstone concept that the community passes around. As a result, they have a tendency to care about this sort of thing; community standards of behavior didn't get bolted-on later, they were there at the start. I once watched a Rails community member pretty well pillory someone for entertaining the thought experiment that if ReiserFS were more technically competent, the software-engineering community wouldn't care the creator murdered his wife and would still invite him to speaking engagements telecast from jail. It is therefore interesting to watch how the Rails community is reacting to the Rails creator having concerns not nearly as bad as killed-his-wife, but extremely disquieting nonetheless.
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marknutter 1y ago
That's the part where the term "fascist" is misused to smear somebody they disagree with. It can be safely ignored.
- simianparrot 1y ago
  I thought so but didn’t want to assume. People really like to misuse terms like fascism these days, huh…
  - typpilol 1y ago
    It's so crazy. He's a fascist because he said something about the chant population of London. And he didn't want politics at the work place How the hell is any of that facism
    - marknutter 1y ago
      It's not. People use the term "fascism" to at best smear those who they disagree with and at worst incite violence against them.
    - shadowgovt 1y ago
      Fascism may be the wrong label. Racism could be a much better fit. The blog post in question: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 The interpretation that raises some pretty interesting points about the inherent racism in the expressed worldview: https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thought/ https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug... There is, however, an interpretation that explains how this specific kind of racism can be seen as at least fascism-adjacent: https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance The question of whether he wants politics in the workplace is moot when he's making public blog posts like this. For the open-source community, the open Internet is the workplace. People aren't just going to pretend DHH didn't say what he said (in public, of his own free will, using his own megaphone) because he didn't post it to ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org.

If you know you know.

There's some weird opinions coming from mostly DHH. My personal take is that they're blatantly racist, but everyone can have their own Here's some fun facts: - DHH enforced a "No Politics at Work" policy. - DHH wrote a post expressing that he wouldn't want to live in London anymore because it's "no longer full of native Brits", and expressed support for a Tommy Robinson march he called "heartwarming". Tommy Robinson is described as "an anti-Islam campaigner and one of the UK's most prominent far-right activists.". The march DHH praised featured speakers calling for ethnic cleansing via "remigration" and banning all non-Christian religions. - DHH also promoted "demographic replacement" conspiracy theories and used language connecting immigration to crime, particularly regarding "Pakistani rape gangs" and street theft. - DHH has been publicly critical of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiatives. This one isn't backed by facts, so take it with a grain of salt.

ishouldbework 1y ago
Cannot speak for the US, but in Europe immigration is connected to crime increase in general. The Ukraine refugees are one of few statistical exceptions.
- mijoharas 1y ago
  Have you got any references for this claim?
  - ishouldbework 1y ago
    Well, https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-024-10144-y https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-024-10144-y seems to claim there is a link for sexual crimes. This paper suggests that there is some delayed effect https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0927537123001410 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092753712....
- busterarm 1y ago
  I think a lot of people are forgetting or at least choose to ignore that DHH is Danish (and specifically a Danish expat) and is probably more inclined to have controversial views on immigration from majority Islamic countries. That's not to give his statements a pass, but to give them some needed context. And no, I'm not saying that Danes are racist.
  - bsammon 1y ago
    I think a lot of people don't know why being Danish is relevant. Is there some reason why controversial views on immigration might be less suprising coming from a Dane?
    - drak0n1c 1y ago
      Denmark is the rare case of a European nation where its center-left listened to feedback from the electorate early on and earnestly adopted policies restricting immigration and refugee admission. As a result they had no populist backlash, and that policy position is uncontroversial to hold publicly.
      - simianparrot 1y ago
        Denmark also has significantly lower rates of violence, crime, rapes and more. Sweden sees ~10 times more rapes than Denmark. As a Norwegian I respect Denmark for putting its people first.
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    And, indeed, if he'd been talking about Copenhagen I suspect at least some people may have looked the other way. Saying what he said about London is, at the very least, a fascinating example of failure to stay in his lane. In fact, if one were of the mindset to be denigrating immigrants, one could, perhaps, raise questions around what business a Dane has telling Brits which members of their former colonies do and do not count as British or, indeed, what it means to be British.
mrisoli 1y ago
He doubled down on his opinion by sharing a sequence of posts from a X account that denounces "woke activism" in the software industry and open source projects. He criticised the political activism in open source projects, then, ironically, suggested Palmer Luckey should step in to steward NixOs.
maxwellg 1y ago
Ironic that DHH is politically active enough that it affects his day to day activities and public perception of his company - kind of the exact opposite of his own policy he expects his employees to abide by.
- x3n0ph3n3 1y ago
  He posts about it on his personal blog, not on his company Slack.
  - phoronixrly 1y ago
    Is world.hey.com/dhh a personal blog? It's literally on his company's domain... At least in the company slack your fash opinions would reach just your poor colleagues...
    - dismalaf 1y ago
      Everyone with a Hey.com email gets a world.hey.com account linked to your email. So yes it's a personal blog. Hey.com is 37Signals' Gmail, not the company's private domain.
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    It's not a distinction someone active in the open source community gets to make. For open source developers, the larger Internet is the workplace.
shadowgovt 1y ago
Probably worth noting in this particular context: The Ruby community in general, and the Rails community in particular, likes to style itself as people who care about people. "Matz is nice so we are nice" (MINSWAN) is a cornerstone concept that the community passes around. As a result, they have a tendency to care about this sort of thing; community standards of behavior didn't get bolted-on later, they were there at the start. I once watched a Rails community member pretty well pillory someone for entertaining the thought experiment that if ReiserFS were more technically competent, the software-engineering community wouldn't care the creator murdered his wife and would still invite him to speaking engagements telecast from jail. It is therefore interesting to watch how the Rails community is reacting to the Rails creator having concerns not nearly as bad as killed-his-wife, but extremely disquieting nonetheless.

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marknutter 1y ago

That's the part where the term "fascist" is misused to smear somebody they disagree with. It can be safely ignored.

simianparrot 1y ago
I thought so but didn’t want to assume. People really like to misuse terms like fascism these days, huh…
- typpilol 1y ago
  It's so crazy. He's a fascist because he said something about the chant population of London. And he didn't want politics at the work place How the hell is any of that facism
  - marknutter 1y ago
    It's not. People use the term "fascism" to at best smear those who they disagree with and at worst incite violence against them.
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    Fascism may be the wrong label. Racism could be a much better fit. The blog post in question: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 The interpretation that raises some pretty interesting points about the inherent racism in the expressed worldview: https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thought/ https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug... There is, however, an interpretation that explains how this specific kind of racism can be seen as at least fascism-adjacent: https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance The question of whether he wants politics in the workplace is moot when he's making public blog posts like this. For the open-source community, the open Internet is the workplace. People aren't just going to pretend DHH didn't say what he said (in public, of his own free will, using his own megaphone) because he didn't post it to ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org.